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Who coined this absurd phrase and why is it used? I respect that some people believe the abortion should not be allowed but to call that group "pro-life" is IMO pathetic and offensive. That way, those who don't agree with them are "anti-life" or what?
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Pro-choice = The TRUE Pro-life, for what could be more pro-life than been looking for the mental and physical health of the woman involved - the woman who is ALREADY alive.

Often, these so-called pro-lifers will ignore the emotional baggage of the women involved. No one WANTS to have abortions. They're not fun. It's not an easy decision.

Not to mention that banning abortion WILL NOT stop abortion. Ever heard of wire-hangers? Women bleed to death from these. Meaning that banning abortion will actually lead the death of more people because if a woman has an abortion, she can still have another child, but if that women dies from performing an unsafe abortion - that's a life gone.

So these pro-lifers are really anti-life.

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Pro-choice = The TRUE Pro-life, for what could be more pro-life than been looking for the mental and physical health of the woman involved - the woman who is ALREADY alive.

Often, these so-called pro-lifers will ignore the emotional baggage of the women involved. No one WANTS to have abortions. They're not fun. It's not an easy decision.

Not to mention that banning abortion WILL NOT stop abortion. Ever heard of wire-hangers? Women bleed to death from these. Meaning that banning abortion will actually lead the death of more people because if a woman has an abortion, she can still have another child, but if that women dies from performing an unsafe abortion - that's a life gone.

So these pro-lifers are really anti-life.
This is as much bull as the bullshit from those catholic pro-lifes types

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Who coined this absurd phrase and why is it used? I respect that some people believe the abortion should not be allowed but to call that group "pro-life" is IMO pathetic and offensive. That way, those who don't agree with them are "anti-life" or what?
People who are in favour are called pro-choice, so logically people who are against abortion should be called anti-choice, which seems more accurate than anti-life.
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since abortion kills the baby, y not call it pro life and pro death

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This is as much bull as the bullshit from those catholic pro-lifes types
Whether or not he put some serious spin on it, he did have a good point, which was that banning will not STOP abortion from occuring. It will merely push the practice back underground, which in turn will make it more unsafe.

That, and many "prolifers" don't give a flying fuck about the women involved. Some of them don't believe that abortions should be available for women who were raped!

Now, what he did with those facts is not for me to comment on
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I guess men who are pro-life keep their sperm in a refrigerator after they masturbate... Because surely they wouldn't throw a Kleenex full of life in the garbage?
dear lord thats ridiculous, theres a difference between sperm and something with a hearbeat

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Pro-choice = The TRUE Pro-life, for what could be more pro-life than been looking for the mental and physical health of the woman involved - the woman who is ALREADY alive.

Often, these so-called pro-lifers will ignore the emotional baggage of the women involved. No one WANTS to have abortions. They're not fun. It's not an easy decision.

Not to mention that banning abortion WILL NOT stop abortion. Ever heard of wire-hangers? Women bleed to death from these. Meaning that banning abortion will actually lead the death of more people because if a woman has an abortion, she can still have another child, but if that women dies from performing an unsafe abortion - that's a life gone.

So these pro-lifers are really anti-life.

Nice post, Sam.

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Pro-choice = The TRUE Pro-life, for what could be more pro-life than been looking for the mental and physical health of the woman involved - the woman who is ALREADY alive.


Not to mention that banning abortion WILL NOT stop abortion. Ever heard of wire-hangers? Women bleed to death from these. Meaning that banning abortion will actually lead the death of more people because if a woman has an abortion, she can still have another child, but if that women dies from performing an unsafe abortion - that's a life gone.

So these pro-lifers are really anti-life.
And rape and murder are outlawed also but they continue. Should we just make those legal?

And as for the woman who is ALIVE already comment- Scott Petersen deservedly got the guilty for the murder of Laci and HIS UNBORN SON.
Laci wanted her baby so that makes it murder. Does that make an aborted baby any less of a human being just because his mother did nt want him?
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I don't agree with them politically, but I'm perfectly willing to acknowledge a great marketing ploy. By implication, your opponents are 'anti-life'. Who wants to be that? I hope whoever came up with the term got a nice bonus. They did their job well.

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Sam had a point, abortion has gone on for centuries. There are several drinks back in the 1700s even women would drink to try to kill the baby to avoid having it. Most of the time, these things were lethal poisons and killed not only the baby but the mother as well. And the children that were born, had very bad disorders or disfigurement. Plus, there have been women who've conducted abortions with wire coat hangers, and they bled to death. Even knitting needles have been used. Most commonly I heard they drank wormwood thou, and that's a poison. Not to mention the chop shops of doctors that would still offer the services, however unsanitary, unsafe, and without proper equipment.

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Plus, what do you do in a situation like this. A mother who's say gotten pregant again, and she already has a few other children... The doctor tells her there's going to be complications of the pregnancy and either the mother, child, or both will pass if she gives birth. Is it wrong to tell the woman she can't have an abortion? Is it wrong to deprive the rest of her family, and her children of having a mother?

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Here's a thought. Most republicans that are pro-life are also anti-welfare. Don't they realize that if a women wants an abortion, she probably can't financially support her child. Being pro-life and anti-welfare is just cruel and rude.
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I'm playing Devil's Advocate here but ....

Look, forget the 'science', and go with your intuition.

Life begins before birth, right? Virtually nobody disagrees with that.

Okay now MOST people belive that life, at least attached to a specific physical form, does NOT begin BEFORE birth. We're getting into philosophical territory here, but you rarely here the arguement that life begins BEFORE conception.

So we're down to a nine month 'window'.

Now, pre-mature births have grown into live humans after as little as five months of pregnancy. Not the usual case, but it happens. More to the point, no one disputes a life 'dies' at that point.

At some point between zero and nine months, we're talking about a baby, not a clump of cells.

Even if your motivation is as weak as 'why take chances?', opposing deliberately ending a pregnancy really IS as simple as 'save the babies'.

Unfortunately, inthe real world, it all too often also becomes 'enslave the pregnant women'.

I've always opposed Operation Rescue, but I have no trouble understanding them. 'Save the Babies' is simple and powerful.

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