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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old Nov 13th, 2004, 12:57 AM Thread Starter
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Reminder to Volcana and other libs who bash Christians but suck up to Islam

i've been really busy of late, haven't had the time to surf this cesspool for a few weeks now. I did try to log-in on election night to have a good gloat, but as i was just saying to the Diva, i couldn't remember my password at the time. Anyways, i've just skimmed through a bunch of Volcana's threads and posts, and a common theme is how he is so quick to bash all the Christian tards for being a bunch of homophobic bigots in their opposition to gay-marraige blah blah blah, yet at the same time, Volcana is very keen to bang the drum for Muslims, be they Palis, Iraqis, whatever

as it happens, i'm a non-religious tard and i don't have a problem with Volcana bashing the Christians for their anti-gay beliefs. This is one issue, probably the only issue, that i am in total agreement with Volcana, in spite of the fact that when i posted my vote it was for Smirk. I support gay-marraige blah, but it wasn't that important an issue for me to vote against Smirk just on that issue alone, and the same is true for most Smirk voters

the problem i have with Volcana on this issue of gay-marraige blah, is his SELECTIVE bashing (i.e. he only bashes the fundi-Christians)

below is a link to an Islamic web site

www.submission.org

note: THIS AIN'T NO EXTREMIST WHACKO FUNDI MUZZIE SITE, SON!

they are quite clear on how they view Osama and company. They condemn all the Fundi-terroists in no uncertain terms

they have also tried their very best to put a spin on those verses of the Koran which make uncomfortable reading for libs like Volcana. For example, on page http://www.submission.org/women/beating.html there is the following verse taken from the Koran

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[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.
clear as day that, but makes uncomfortable reading to libs like Volcana, and the webmasters of Submission.org know it....so some spin is needed....and here it is

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At first glance this verse may appear as if promoting physical abuse of women. But when reading 4:34 carefully one realizes that it actually prohibits abuse and beating of women by using the best psychological approach.

The advise to first talk and then avoid sexual contact, provides the necessary time and space for both parties to cool off, reason, examine the problem and reach a favorable agreement for both of them.

Abuse of a wife will not happen if the man learns to follow the clear commandments of God in this verse and in the order decreed. Abuse will only happen when a man does not follow these commandments, and thus fails to cool off and reason with himself or with his wife.

Sura 4, where we read 4:34, entitled "The Women," is one of the longest chapters in the Quran. It deals with many of the rights and responsibilities of women, rights that were first available to western women only a few decades ago, and some that still aren't. The theme of this Sura is to defend women's rights, and countering injustice and oppression of women. Thus, any interpretation of verses in Sura 4 must be in favor of the women, not the other way around.
so there yuo have it, the Koran is quite clear that the beating of yuor wife is permissable under certain conditions, but the moderate Muslims at submission.org have contrived a tortured explanation as to why this verse isn't a green light for a man to hit his wife if she doesn't listen to reason

HOWEVER, not even these 'liberal' 'moderate' Muslims will go so far as to try any spin doctoring when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. Volcana, this link's for yuo, bud

http://www.submission.org/sex/homosexuality.html


there may be a few islamic pro-gay groups dotted around the world, but for the most part, Muslims (never mind the extremists) are quite united on where they stand on gay-marraige blah UNLIKE THE CHRISTIAN TARDS WHO ARE DEEPLY DIVIDED ON THIS ISSUE

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So why are Christians the only ones that are blamed?
In the USA, probably because there are more of them thus they are the more visible "homphobic" group (blah, I'm not saying that all Christians are homophobes, so don't read it like that).
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In the USA, probably because there are more of them thus they are the more visible "homphobic" group (blah, I'm not saying that all Christians are homophobes, so don't read it like that).
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I am dismayed both by extreme Islam and extreme Chrisitianity...both have in common of course a contempt for 'decadent' liberal western societies, and a whole load of intolerance.

The same goes for any religious belief taken to an extreme.

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Was I ambiguous? I was suggesting that Christians got crapped on more than other religions in the US because they are the majority religion, thus they make more noise... that, or I'm extremely poorly informed and they are not.
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I am dismayed both by extreme Islam and extreme Chrisitianity...both have in common of course a contempt for 'decadent' liberal western societies, and a whole load of intolerance.

The same goes for any religious belief taken to an extreme.
Couldnt have said it any better..

But I will say that the reason I bash christians is because christianity is the dominant religion in Australia where I live, and In USA which is the worlds superpower. Australia could almost be called the 51st state these days.

Dont get me started on the things I cannot begin to understand or condone in Islam - not only their attitutes on the gay stuff, I pity the poor women of Islam. Talk about being born a 2nd class citizen.

But the reason I bash the christians is because its the christian lobby in Australia which is responsible for the fear and homophobia associated with giving gays the right to marry. If Islam ruled in Australia I'd be just as critical of it.

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I'm a liberal, and religious fundamentalism in ANY form is not good. There should be separation of religion and state in every country in the world.

Bush and his supporters should be pushing for that and fighting for that instead of retaliating Islamic fundamentalism by becoming a Christian fundamentalism itself. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Please cut the fucking shit OKAY because I can slam verses of the bible in your face which clearly allows men to rape women that have been disobedient. The difference between islam in christianity is it's following. I doubt any of you "christians" actually read the damn thing.

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I am dismayed both by extreme Islam and extreme Chrisitianity...both have in common of course a contempt for 'decadent' liberal western societies, and a whole load of intolerance.

The same goes for any religious belief taken to an extreme.
sorry, i thought i made it quite clear, the guys who run submission.org are NOT extremists, they have denounced in no uncertain terms the Hadiths and Sunna (like the bible and the jewish torah, books that were written by men) who Osama and company have taken to extreme

the guys at submission.org are quoting from the KORAN which, if yuo are a true believer of Islam, is the DIVINE word of Allah, and cannot be questioned

now if yuo want to try and convince a Muslim that Allah didn't know what the fuck he was talking about when he proclaimed Homosexuality as being an abhorrent sin, then the best of luck to yuo sir, yuo're gonna need it

and since, yuo mentioned extreme-Islam, it doesn't get much more extreme than in the middle-east, so it amazes me that someone like Volcana would find such solidarity with someone like Arafat, especially as Palestinians are not very keen on black people either. In spite of Volcana's attempts to portray the USA as being a country that is controlled by a bunch of white racist fundi-christians, the fact of the matter is, that although the situation is not perfect, the USA is one of the most tolerant countries in the world, not only for gays, but blacks and other minorites as well. I'm sure it hasn't escaped yuor notice that just recently, Smirk made Condi Rice the most powerful black female the world has ever seen, and there's a chance she might become even more powerful in 4 fours years time. I'd vote for her - D N T
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one more thing, and yuo should all know by now that the Car Key Boi is always right

same-sex marraige in the USA is gonna happen, i can't give yuo a timescale, could be 5 years, could be 10, could be 15, whatever, but it's gonna happen, it's as sure as night follows day

and it's gonna happen under a REPUBLICAN administration, and it will happen because of liberal conservatives (or conservative liberals if yuo want) like myself, kiwifan and The Diva, and not because of clowns like Volcana shouting in the street waving a "Queers for Palestine" banner

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Please cut the fucking shit OKAY because I can slam verses of the bible in your face which clearly allows men to rape women that have been disobedient. The difference between islam in christianity is it's following. I doubt any of you "christians" actually read the damn thing.
I'm not aware that any Christians have posted in this thread thus far, so I'm not sure who this post is directed towards.

However, I will point out that, as far as I understand things, there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. To be a Christian means to be a follower of Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible, so although the Bible is the main source of information about Christ, one can be a Christian without necessarily accepting many of the things written therein. On the other hand, to be a Muslim specifically means to accept the Koran as the word of god, as related by Mohammed, so there are no get out clauses. If the Koran says it's OK to beat your wife, a Muslim by definition believes it's OK to beat your wife.

As far as CKBs point goes, it is obvious that in America, and in particular those parts of America where power lies, Christianity is the dominant religion, so clearly where issues of America policy are concerned, Christianity is the relevant religion.

If Volcana is, like me, a secularist, he will believe that although he may not accept the beliefs of Muslims, he accepts their right to believe them, and so will defend them where they are under siege. He will also believe in the separation of state and church, and therefore not be in favour of religious persons dictating government policy at home. There is no contradiction here.

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Blah...blah...blah.. Palestinians are not very keen on black people either. Blah ... blah ... blah
I only met one person from Palestine. In college. This Palestinian girl. She was my friend or close acquitance for two years until she transfered to another department. Nice girl and hot too. And, she was definately keen on me although not to the degree I was keen on her, if you know what I mean.

So, there goes your theory.

Btw, have you ever met/become friends with any Palestinian or other individuals from the ME? Try it out. It might change some of your opinions which your preacher seem to have dictated to you.
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I'm not aware that any Christians have posted in this thread thus far, so I'm not sure who this post is directed towards.

However, I will point out that, as far as I understand things, there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. To be a Christian means to be a follower of Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible, so although the Bible is the main source of information about Christ, one can be a Christian without necessarily accepting many of the things written therein. On the other hand, to be a Muslim specifically means to accept the Koran as the word of god, as related by Mohammed, so there are no get out clauses. If the Koran says it's OK to beat your wife, a Muslim by definition believes it's OK to beat your wife.

As far as CKBs point goes, it is obvious that in America, and in particular those parts of America where power lies, Christianity is the dominant religion, so clearly where issues of America policy are concerned, Christianity is the relevant religion.

If Volcana is, like me, a secularist, he will believe that although he may not accept the beliefs of Muslims, he accepts their right to believe them, and so will defend them where they are under siege. He will also believe in the separation of state and church, and therefore not be in favour of religious persons dictating government policy at home. There is no contradiction here.

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YUO OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA OF THE MINDLESS ISLAMPHILIA WHICH IS PREVELANT WITH HIPPIES LIKE VOLCANA. YUOR SEPARATION OF STATE AND CHURCH ARGUMENT DOESN'T WASH. YUO OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CALI SCHOOLS (AND OTHER STATES THAT ARE HIPPIE CLUSTERFUCKS)

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I only met one person from Palestine. In college. This Palestinian girl. She was my friend or close acquitance for two years until she transfered to another department. Nice girl and hot too. And, she was definately keen on me although not to the degree I was keen on her, if you know what I mean.

So, there goes your theory.

Btw, have you ever met/become friends with any Palestinian or other individuals from the ME? Try it out. It might change some of your opinions which your preacher seem to have dictated to you.
ONCE AGAIN, NICE SPIN, BUT NO CIGAR

LET US BE CLEAR ON THIS: THERE ARE AS MANY GAY MUSLIMS PER CAPITA, AS THERE ARE IN THE USA (OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER)

HOW A GAY MUSLIM COMES TO TERMS WITH BEING GAY WHEN THE KORAN CLEARLY STATES THAT IT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN, I CAN ONLY GUESS

PERHAPS THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE SO, BUT "PRAY TO ALLAH" TO SUPPRESS THEIR GAYNESS

I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN TARDS ON THIS VERY BOARD WHO ARE REPRESSED GAYS (SOMEONE POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT SURFING GAY PORN SITES BUT "THANKS TO JESUS" HE IS NOW A STRAIGHT BOI

AND YES, FYI I HAVE TRAVELED TO THE MIDDLE-EAST SO I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YUOR AVERAGE PALI TARD (YUOR FRIEND ISN'T, AVERAGE PALI TARD DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOT TO GET THEMSELVES AN EDUCATION IN THE WEST) IS SIMILAR TO YUOR AVERAGE KKK TARD

FACT THAT SUX: THEY BOTH HATE JEWS, BLACKS AND GAYS. SAME HATE. DIFFERENT ORDER
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I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN TARDS ON THIS VERY BOARD WHO ARE REPRESSED GAYS (SOMEONE POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT SURFING GAY PORN SITES BUT "THANKS TO JESUS" HE IS NOW A STRAIGHT BOI
Give me a fucking break!.. Yeah CKB, I know exactly the type of people you're talking about. They're pathetic, and have serious issues.

Underneath all that, you do have some very good points. But like I said, fundamentalism and extremism are the real enemies. In fact, really with the absence of religion, the world would be a much better place. Maybe, we should all strive toward that.
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