i've been really busy of late, haven't had the time to surf this cesspool for a few weeks now. I did try to log-in on election night to have a good gloat, but as i was just saying to the Diva, i couldn't remember my password at the time. Anyways, i've just skimmed through a bunch of Volcana's threads and posts, and a common theme is how he is so quick to bash all the Christian tards for being a bunch of homophobic bigots in their opposition to gay-marraige blah blah blah, yet at the same time, Volcana is very keen to bang the drum for Muslims, be they Palis, Iraqis, whatever
as it happens, i'm a non-religious tard and i don't have a problem with Volcana bashing the Christians for their anti-gay beliefs. This is one issue, probably the only issue, that i am in total agreement with Volcana, in spite of the fact that when i posted my vote it was for Smirk. I support gay-marraige blah, but it wasn't that important an issue for me to vote against Smirk just on that issue alone, and the same is true for most Smirk voters
the problem i have with Volcana on this issue of gay-marraige blah, is his SELECTIVE bashing (i.e. he only bashes the fundi-Christians)
below is a link to an Islamic web site
note: THIS AIN'T NO EXTREMIST WHACKO FUNDI MUZZIE SITE, SON!
they are quite clear on how they view Osama and company. They condemn all the Fundi-terroists in no uncertain terms
they have also tried their very best to put a spin on those verses of the Koran which make uncomfortable reading for libs like Volcana. For example, on page http://www.submission.org/women/beating.html
there is the following verse taken from the Koran
[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.
clear as day that, but makes uncomfortable reading to libs like Volcana, and the webmasters of Submission.org know it....so some spin is needed....and here it is
At first glance this verse may appear as if promoting physical abuse of women. But when reading 4:34 carefully one realizes that it actually prohibits abuse and beating of women by using the best psychological approach.
The advise to first talk and then avoid sexual contact, provides the necessary time and space for both parties to cool off, reason, examine the problem and reach a favorable agreement for both of them.
Abuse of a wife will not happen if the man learns to follow the clear commandments of God in this verse and in the order decreed. Abuse will only happen when a man does not follow these commandments, and thus fails to cool off and reason with himself or with his wife.
Sura 4, where we read 4:34, entitled "The Women," is one of the longest chapters in the Quran. It deals with many of the rights and responsibilities of women, rights that were first available to western women only a few decades ago, and some that still aren't. The theme of this Sura is to defend women's rights, and countering injustice and oppression of women. Thus, any interpretation of verses in Sura 4 must be in favor of the women, not the other way around.
so there yuo have it, the Koran is quite clear that the beating of yuor wife is permissable under certain conditions, but the moderate
Muslims at submission.org have contrived a tortured
explanation as to why this verse isn't a green light for a man to hit his wife if she doesn't listen to reason
HOWEVER, not even these 'liberal' 'moderate' Muslims will go so far as to try any spin doctoring when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. Volcana, this link's for yuo, bud
there may be a few islamic pro-gay groups dotted around the world, but for the most part, Muslims (never mind the extremists) are quite united on where they stand on gay-marraige blah UNLIKE THE CHRISTIAN TARDS WHO ARE DEEPLY DIVIDED ON THIS ISSUE
that is all
- Car Key Boi,
liberals' worst nightmare - D N T