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Arafat Dies

Most of you won't remember, but this is, in many ways, like the passing of Dr. King. He was vilified by much of the white media at the time of his death. Arafat's death will be similarly covered. How Arafat will be remembered half a century from now .... Who knows? But we know Dr. King isn't vilified by any except the true White Supremacist Right now.

For those of you who recoil at comparing Arafat to Dr. King, recall that many of us, me included, hold Malcom X in every bit as high esteem as Dr. King. And I think you'd agree THAT comparison is apt.

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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat dead
Controversial leader, 75, succumbs to unknown disease

Palestinians rally in support of Yasser Arafat in the West Bank town of Ramallah, late Wednesday, hours before he died.
The Associated PressUpdated: 12:23 a.m. ET Nov. 11, 2004


Yasser Arafat, who triumphantly forced his people’s plight into the world spotlight but failed to achieve his lifelong quest for Palestinian statehood, died Thursday at age 75.

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The French military hospital where he had been treated for nearly a month said he died at 3:30 a.m. The Palestinian leader spent his final days there in a coma.

Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat and Tayeb Abdel Rahim, a top Arafat aide, confirmed that Arafat died in a conversation with reporters at Arafat’s headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

White House spokesman Trent Duffy said the administration was waiting to comment until it confirmed Arafat had died. The State Department had no immediate comment.

The Palestinian parliament speaker will be sworn in as Palestinian Authority president in the coming hours.
Palestinian officials have said they want to ensure a smooth transition. Under Palestinian law, Parliament Speaker Rauhi Fattouh, a virtual unknown, is to become caretaker president until elections are held in 60 days.

Arafat’s last days were as murky and dramatic as his life. Flown to France on Oct. 29 after nearly three years of being penned in his West Bank headquarters by Israeli tanks, he initially improved but then sharply deteriorated as rumors swirled about his illness.

Top Palestinian officials flew in to check on their leader while Arafat’s 41-year-old wife, Suha, publicly accused them of trying to usurp his powers. Ordinary Palestinians prayed for his well being, but expressed deep frustration over his failure to improve their lives.

Arafat’s failure to groom a successor complicated his passing, raising the danger of factional conflict among Palestinians.

A visual constant in his checkered keffiyeh headdress, Arafat kept the Palestinians’ cause at the center of the Arab-Israeli conflict. But he fell short of creating a Palestinian state, and, along with other secular Arab leaders of his generation, he saw his influence weakened by the rise of radical Islam in recent years.

Revered by his own people, Arafat was reviled by others. He was accused of secretly fomenting attacks on Israelis while proclaiming brotherhood and claiming to have put terrorism aside. Many Israelis felt the paunchy 5-foot, 2-inch Palestinian’s real goal remained the destruction of the Jewish state.

Arafat became one of the world’s most familiar faces after addressing the U.N. General Assembly in New York in 1974, when he entered the chamber wearing a holster and carrying a sprig. “Today I have come bearing an olive branch and a freedom fighter’s gun,” he said. “Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand.”

Two decades later, he shook hand at the White House with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on a peace deal that formally recognized Israel’s right to exist while granting the Palestinians limited self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The pact led to the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize for Arafat, Rabin and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres.

But the accord quickly unraveled amid mutual suspicions and accusations of treaty violations, and a new round of violence that erupted in the fall of 2000 has killed some 4,000 people, three-quarters of them Palestinian.

The Israeli and U.S. governments said Arafat deserved much of the blame for the derailing of the peace process. Even many of his own people began whispering against Arafat, expressing disgruntlement over corruption, lawlessness and a bad economy in the Palestinian areas.

A resilient survivor of war with Israel, assassination attempts and even a plane crash, Arafat was born Rahman Abdel-Raouf Arafat Al-Qudwa on Aug. 4, 1929, the fifth of seven children of a Palestinian merchant killed in the 1948 war over Israel’s creation. There is disagreement whether he was born in Gaza or in Cairo, Egypt.

Educated as an engineer in Egypt, Arafat served in the Egyptian army and then started a contracting firm in Kuwait. It was there that he founded the Fatah movement, which became the core of the Palestine Liberation Organization.
After the Arabs’ humbling defeat by Israel in the six-day war of 1967, the PLO thrust itself on the world’s front pages by sending its gunmen out to hijack airplanes, machine gun airports and seize Israeli athletes at the 1972 Summer Olympics.

“As long as the world saw Palestinians as no more than refugees standing in line for U.N. rations, it was not likely to respect them. Now that the Palestinians carry rifles the situation has changed,” Arafat explained.
Arafat’s failure to groom a successor complicated his passing, raising the danger of factional conflict among Palestinians.
A visual constant in his checkered keffiyeh headdress, Arafat kept the Palestinians’ cause at the center of the Arab-Israeli conflict. But he fell short of creating a Palestinian state, and, along with other secular Arab leaders of his generation, he saw his influence weakened by the rise of radical Islam in recent years.

Arafat became one of the world’s most familiar faces after addressing the U.N. General Assembly in New York in 1974, when he entered the chamber wearing a holster and carrying a sprig. “Today I have come bearing an olive branch and a freedom fighter’s gun,” he said. “Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand.”
Two decades later, he shook hand at the White House with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on a peace deal that formally recognized Israel’s right to exist while granting the Palestinians limited self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The pact led to the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize for Arafat, Rabin and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres.

© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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There are already 2 threads about it, are you blind?
no, but how would he miss an opportunity to mention the "white supremacists", even if the palestinians wouldn't have a clue what he is talking about.

And how would he otherwise fail to make an stupid comparisson like with Martin Luther King, that had nothing in common with Arafat whatsoever.
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no, but how would he miss an opportunity to mention the "white supremacists", even if the palestinians wouldn't have a clue what he is talking about.

And how would he otherwise fail to make an stupid comparisson like with Martin Luther King, that had nothing in common with Arafat whatsoever.
Ah such a pity you haven't a monoploy on starting threads. I weep for you.

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Ah such a pity you haven't a monoploy on starting threads. I weep for you.

To the Palestinian people, may you next leader be as committed to you as your last.
another stupid comment and counting, how many thread have I started, and how many thread have you started?

talking about making comments unrelated to the issue, but you are an expert on that volcana.

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Ah such a pity you haven't a monoploy on starting threads. I weep for you.

To the Palestinian people, may your next leader be as committed to you as your last.
you mean as committed to not accept peace of arafat.
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another stupid comment and counting, how many thread have I started, and how many thread have you started?

talking about making comments unrelated to the issue, but you are an expert on that volcana.

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Don't need luck. Ain't recruitin'. But I'd appreciate it if you'd say something stupid enough for me to put in my sig again. You've already done it twice.

I'm sorry to see Chairman Arafat die. His commitment to the welfare of his people is unquestioned, in my book.

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I'm sorry to see Chairman Arafat die. His commitment to the welfare of his people is unquestioned, in my book.
:retard: Clinton and Barak offered him 97% and the bastard turned it down and the violence continued
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President Arafat has died



Thursday 11 November 2004, 7:15 Makka Time, 4:15 GMT " target="_blank">
Israel has refused permission for a burial in occupied Jerusalem





Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat has been officially announced dead at the Paris military hospital where he was being treated, Aljazeera reports. He was 75.

Secretary-general of the Palestinian presidency, Tayib Abd al-Rahim, confirmed the death.

A spokesman for Percy military hospital had earlier said no decision had been taken to disconnect Arafat from artificial respirators.

A senior Muslim cleric who visited Arafat on Wednesday had ruled out disconnecting him from life-support machines.

Statements by Palestinian officials and medics have not mentioned the cause of the illness.

Aljazeera's correspondent in Paris said it seemed no one was permitted to give details on the cause or exact diagnosis of the illness.



Burial dispute

Media reports and speculation regarding the circumstances surrounding his funeral have increased.

Israel says that it will not allow Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem, his preferred resting place and a holy site for all Muslims.



Tayib Abd al-Rahim says the best

place for burial is in Ram Allah






Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and top Israeli cabinet members agreed on Wednesday to allow Arafat to be buried in the West Bank city of Ram Allah, Israel Radio said.

Palestinian authorities had previously suggested that the Ram Allah headquarters of Arafat might
be the best place, according to Tayib Abd al-Rahim, secretary-general of the Palestinian presidency.

Freedom of movement


Discussions with Israel regarding funeral arrangements is a necessity since freedom of movement for all Palestinians including Arafat is restricted by Israel.


A Palestinian official said: "Arafat's life-long ambition was to make Jerusalem the capital of a Palestinian state, and his will was to be buried there."

Minister of Negotiation Affairs Saib Uraiqat pledged that Arafat's body would eventually be moved and reburied in east Jerusalem in the future.


"I think it [a burial in Ram Allah] will be temporary and one day, when we have peace and we are all right as neighbours, President Arafat's body will be moved to east Jerusalem, to al-Aqsa mosque," he
told Israeli Radio.

Egyptian announcement

Neighbouring Egypt has also been drawn into the controversy.


The country has welcomed the idea of holding a real or symbolic funeral for Palestinian President Yasir Arafat in Cairo, according to an announcement.


Egypt
prefers Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem, to indicate that this city will remain the headquarters of the Palestinian State.


Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmad Abu al-Ghait and intelligence chief Umar Sulayman will visit Israel and the Palestinian Authority on Friday to discuss the procedures of the burial and the future of the Palestinian Authority after the demise of Arafat.


Arab League assistance



Egypt's Abu al-Ghait (L) will meet

Palestinian and Israeli officials




Aljazeera's correspondent in Cairo reported that the Egyptians have said they will also try to prevent Israel from causing internal conflicts and from creating confusion among Palestinians.


Palestinian officials have said it is highly likely a funeral ceremony presided by the Arab League will be held in Cairo followed by a burial in Ram Allah in the West Bank.

"Egypt has offered for Arafat to lie in state in Cairo, but the Palestinian leadership will give the final decision today," Uraiqat said.

Hopeful Bush
US President George Bush meanwhile has said that a new Palestinian leadership after the death of Arafat would improve chances for peace in the Middle East.

"There will be an opening for peace with new leaders in place," he said.

"When that happens, and I believe that it's going to happen ... the United States of America will be more than willing to help build the institutions for a free society to emerge so that the Palestinians can have their own state," he said.

"The vision is two states, a Palestinian state and Israel living side by side in peace. I think we have got a chance to do that. I look forward to being involved in the process".

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I do find the decision to refuse him burial in Jerusalem .... an interesting decision. It will make it difficult for the next leader to comporomise, but inthe long term, his burial there would have made it more difficult for the Israelis to claim exclusive soveignity over the city.

Oh to be a fly on the wall ....

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:retard: Clinton and Barak offered him 97% and the bastard turned it down and the violence continued
That offer, bluntly, was horseshit. Israel retained virtually all the water rights, as well as the right to send the Israeli military into Palestinian land on ANY pretext.

That wasn't an offer of 97% of the land. That was an offer of the right to RENT 90% of the land, with Israel as a lanlord with the right to enter and destroy anything they chose. Read the fucking proposal.

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That offer, bluntly, was horseshit. Israel retained virtually all the water rights, as well as the right to send the Israeli military into Palestinian land on ANY pretext.

That wasn't an offer of 97% of the land. That was an offer of the right to RENT 90% of the land, with Israel as a lanlord with the right to enter and destroy anything they chose. Read the fucking proposal.
after Israel put him in house arrest in 02 then he claimed he was ready to accept Clinton's plan.
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you mean as committed to not accept peace of arafat.
Well, in that context, as I meant not as committed to peace as Sharon.

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after Israel put him in house arrest in 02 then he claimed he was ready to accept Clinton's plan.
Well, he was held prisioner in a room for two years. I'm not sure what you would have done either.

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Don't need luck. Ain't recruitin'. But I'd appreciate it if you'd say something stupid enough for me to put in my sig again. You've already done it twice.

I'm sorry to see Chairman Arafat die. His commitment to the welfare of his people is unquestioned, in my book.
without a doubt he was committed to the welfare of his people, his wife was receiving 100,000 dollars a month from the empoverished Palestinian Authority, to live in Paris while million of Palestinians starve.

What's your book? Mein Kampft?
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What's your book? Mein Kampft?
If that's your best shot, you've ceased to be a worthy adversary. What's YOUR book? 'See Spot Run'?

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