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this is really worrying (re US election and this board)

I truely hope this board isn't a representation of the general population (I don't think it is).

What I mean is how many posters, that claim to be liberals or progressive, behave exactly the opposite way.

I believed that if you were liberal you would support things like freedom of thought and expression, respect, tolerance, but it seems to be the other way around.

Bush's supporters have been called dumb, stupid, bigot, narrow-minded, etc.

Many posters said they wanted to leave the United States (not that I think they will), I thought in democracy you accept the majority's decision? or if it doesn't go your way then you don't want democracy?

I read some outrageous remark, some posters were praying for a terrorist attack to happen in the US. Some said they would not drop a tear if it happened (interesting though, if Bush is the president it doesn't matter if thousand of innocent civilians die, like the bombs would only kill evil Bush supporters).

Some even suggested it would be good to have a nuclear bomb dropped on the White House (I can only hope they just have no clue what they are talking about).

All Bush's supporters have to be religious fanatic, racist, homophobes, these people have never heard of balance, or perspective.

Some posters have even suggested that Bush won because they committed fraud, that would mean that really Kerry won but the evil republicans twisted the results. That sounds awfully familiar to the nazis theories that Germany really won WWI but was betrayed by the politicians. Interesting that are the liberals who sustain those theories.

Some are calling for extreme measures, illegal or dirty tactics to win the elections. I mean, if they republicans did use dirty tactis, and you do the same, does it make you better than them? then what's the difference?

Some people show a remarkable ignorance of recent history. They criticize the war in Iraq on the base it wasn't sanctioned by the United Nations and thus, it was illegal, and praised France or Germany for opposing it.
The thing is, the Kosovo war, under the Clinton (democrat) administration was just as illegal, there wasn't any UN mandate, yet, except for the Serbians, nobody cared. Sure, it looked more legitimate because the European countries did participate and Yugoslavia does not have oil, so it didn't look as a greedy war. but Yugoslavia didn't respresent any danger for any of the Nato countries, not even potentially, but I guess if you don't have oil then it's fine to kill civilians.
I am not saying the Iraq war is right or the Kosovo war was wrong, I am saying either they are both right or both wrong.

Those who think of a conspiracy to take power fail to see the real reasons why Bush won. They said Bush was good in convincing americans he is the only one that can protect them, I would say it wasn't Bush, it was Kerry who did that, and thugs like Michael Moore that with his rants only hurt Kerry's cause.

How much space has been wasted arguing whether Kerry was in Vietnam, Bush wasn't? nobody stopped to think it was irrelevant? that having held a rifle doesn't make you better to conduct a country?

Has anybody mentioned the main flaw in this (and all american elections)? the fact that the winner takes all, that really discorages participation.

The democrats got like 30% or something like that in Texas, they were literally wasted votes, because unless you get the majority you get nothing, many people surely couldn't be bothered (the same can said of republicans in California). If it was proportional that 30 % could mean something and people could feel their vote had a value and then, maybe it would have been 40%. Nobody criticized that, they prefered the witch hunt.

I really have many reasons to criticize Bush, but if my only source of news were this board, I would be blindly behind Bush, because his detractors were so irrational, so full of hatred and intolerance that they would make me think Bush had something good after all (kind of the Michael Moore's effect). It is ironic that the conservative republicans look moderate and tolerant while the progressive liberals look the opposite. I wonder if they can realize that.
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well said, and most of the incredibly stupid remarks come from either Bacardi or Jigglypuff, I find most of them not that bad. but you're right, if the board influenced any undecided people, it was probably towards Bush, because it doesn't help Kerry when a bunch of ignorant morons bash Bush.

edit: after seeing some other posts, i'm going to add LucasArg and ys to the list.

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What can I say? When liberals don't get their way their stupidity shines forth. I don't have to worry about that because I am a conservative and I accept a defeat.

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Many posters said they wanted to leave the United States (not that I think they will), I thought in democracy you accept the majority's decision? or if it doesn't go your way then you don't want democracy?
I agree with most of what you said (or at least the first four paragraphs, didn't read the rest) but I don't see why people shouldn't leave a country if they don't like it's government. That's nothing to do with not wanting democracy.
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this sums up the board perfectly..

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the thing is Fingon - I dont think we (we meaning liberals) do need to have respect and tolerance for a point of view which is PREACHING NON TOLERANCE!

Should the nazi's have respected the germans point of view back in WW2 - simply because they believed in tolerance and understanding?

What do you do if you are in favour of tolerance and equal rights etc, yet your political leaders are PROMOTING Intolerance and judgment when it comes to who you are?

Do you expect me as a gay liberal to respect a point of view which basically preaches hate towards people like me??

That idea is laughable.

I can respect differences of opinion on the war in iraq, on the best way to combat terrorism, on fiscal responsibility etc etc.

But when it comes to being 'tolerant' of a differing point of view which is 'intolerant' - you have to be joking.

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I was joking in my first post. In all seriousness, I think most liberals have a difficult time in accepting defeat or failure. They come from the "everyone is a winner" culture and they just cannot accept defeat.
Being moderate/conservative, I view most far left wing liberals with disdain. Most seem to have very little if any moral clarity and they tend to think that people should be given things. I am somewhat of a rugged individualist. You either work hard to obtain what you want or you do without!! I don't believe in the hand out system that many liberals adhere to.
As I have said before,there are several reasons why I am labeled a "conservative":

1. I am Pro-religion. I think people should have a right to worship and shouldn't have to be afraid to say God,Jesus,Krisna, Buddha or any other religious figure or deities name. I am definitely all about extroverted spirituality.

2. I am Pro-Life. I think the only time abortion should EVER be considered is in situations of life and death and perhaps rape.

3. I believe marriage is a sacred bond between a Man And A Woman!! Period.

4. I think kissing the U.N's ass is totally unnecessary.

These are the reasons that I am a conservative.

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I was joking in my first post. In all seriousness, I think most liberals have a difficult time in accepting defeat or failure. They come from the "everyone is a winner" culture and they just cannot accept defeat.
Being moderate/conservative, I view most far left wing liberals with disdain. Most seem to have very little if any moral clarity and they tend to think that people should be given things. I am somewhat of a rugged individualist. You either work hard to obtain what you want or you do without!! I don't believe in the hand out system that many liberals adhere to.
As I have said before,there are several reasons why I am labeled a "conservative":

1. I am Pro-religion. I think people should have a right to worship and shouldn't have to be afraid to say God,Jesus,Krisna, Buddha or any other religious figure or deities name. I am definitely all about extroverted spirituality.

2. I am Pro-Life. I think the only time abortion should EVER be considered is in situations of life and death and perhaps rape.

3. I believe marriage is a sacred bond between a Man And A Woman!! Period.

4. I think kissing the U.N's ass is totally unnecessary.

These are the reasons that I am a conservative.
Do you believe in family planning and contraception (ie pill, condoms etc)?
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I truely hope this board isn't a representation of the general population (I don't think it is).

What I mean is how many posters, that claim to be liberals or progressive, behave exactly the opposite way.

I believed that if you were liberal you would support things like freedom of thought and expression, respect, tolerance, but it seems to be the other way around.

Bush's supporters have been called dumb, stupid, bigot, narrow-minded, etc.
I donīt agree 100% with you Fingon, Should I remind you that most of the population in this world is against Bush? I think that a culture guy as you, should ve noted this. If you think this board is not represented in that way you are wrong. At least in my country Bush is not better than Osama Bin Laden.Expect Colombia , the rest of America is against Bush as the entire world except Israel is. No surprisesabout it.

You re right, nobody's should call retarded or dumb a person who voted or supported Bush, but we all know how rude these supporters are, for example Ive recieved a lot of bad reps from those people telling me I was an argentinian trash, poor guy, typical behavior I donīt care if they insult me or my country , cos I know how sick they are indeed.

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I read some outrageous remark, some posters were praying for a terrorist attack to happen in the US. Some said they would not drop a tear if it happened (interesting though, if Bush is the president it doesn't matter if thousand of innocent civilians die, like the bombs would only kill evil Bush supporters).

Some even suggested it would be good to have a nuclear bomb dropped on the White House (I can only hope they just have no clue what they are talking about).

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I hear it everyday in my country, when Bush won the election people were saying, they DESERVE to be attacked, they are asking for it.


I know it is awful, but it is the air around the USA now, Many people in the world are really pissed off since the war on Iraq has begun.

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You re right, nobody's should call retarded or dumb a person who voted or supported Bush, but we all know how rude these supporters are, for example Ive recieved a lot of bad reps from those people telling me I was an argentinian trash, poor guy, typical behavior I donīt care if they insult me or my country , cos I know how sick they are indeed.
IIRC, you were the one who said that Bush supporters should keep it to themselves and see a doctor.

Talk about Pot Kettle Black.
You deserve badreps for comments like that.
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