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ok, who will be the US candidates in 2008?

and no, it's not too early, you can bet your ass the republican party is seriously thinking about that, the democratic party should as well.

If the liberals in the US want to win the 2008 election, they need to start working today.

The republicans traditionally rely less in charismatic candidates, they normally offer a leader that seems to know what he wants and how to do it.

The democrats on the other hand, seem to base their proposal to the nation more on the candidate's charisma. All the democrat presidents in the last 70 years have been charismatic (with the exception of Johnson and Truman, but Johnson was Kennedy's vice-president, and Truman was Rooselvelt vice-president, they got the top job initially because the charismatic president died).

I believe the democrats needs to emphasize more their platform and less the candidate. I believe they have to forget about things like condecorations or whether they were in Vietnam or not, or whether they win a tv debate or not, but they need to explain their ideas clearly, and they need to realize what's important for Americans at the time of the election. Terrorism was obviously the excluding matter in this election and IMO the democrats failed to explain clearly what they were going to do. That's a mistake and they paid dearly for that.

They haven't had a charismatic candidate since Clinton and they can't bet to have one in 2008, they have to learn to win elections without a charismatic candidate.

Now, who are the possible candidates in 2008, for both parties?

Republicans:

G. W. Bush is out of the picture.
Jeb Bush? Possibly, I think the Bush family would love to be able to say that a father and two children were president of the United States, and he obviously can command the same forces that put his brother in power, but I think that although Jeb Bush will eventually be a candidate, it won't be in 2008, the reason is that even is dubya does a good job I don't think voters are going to accept one Bush succeeding another, it would look like an hereditary monarchy.
Colin Powell? maybe, he has prestige, even outside the republican party. Some may say that as black he wouldn't stand a chance but he IS the State Secretary. He is black but conservative, and he is conservative but more liberal than the rest, he wouldn't be a bad choice.
Rumsfeld? no, too old
Cheney? too sick
Aschcroft? too dull
Schwarzennegger?, he could gurantee a third republican period. But they need to change the constitution, I can only see them doing that if they are too desperate.

The Democrats:

Kerry? I heard he is not really interested and it's not common that a defeated candidate tries again.
Gore? give me a break.
Edwards? read above.
That guy the Illinois candidate. Well, it would be necessary first that I can remember his name without looking it up, I think he is politically too young, and I don't believe the conservative american would accept him for now, possibly in the future.

I am not too much into american politicians, except for the very known ones, so I am sure I am missing some important names.
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Condi Rice vs. Hil Clinton 2008. How exciting would that be?
it would be but I can't imagine two women competing for the US presidency, I don't think the establishment would accept that.
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Hillary Clinton would lose. She is a New York liberal, which is just as taboo as a Massachusetts liberal.

Jeb Bush is going to be president. Floridians love him, latinos love his wife (and they are loving the GOP more and more anyways,) and the GOP base will be just as obsessively behind him as they are Dubya.

The Democrats are kind of leaderless at this point. Maybe Gephardt? He might actually win, but he doesn't want to run, so he says. Yeah, I say Gephardt gets the nomination, and, honestly, I wouldn't mind having him as pres. If he gets nominated, the GOP had better hope that McCain is somewhere on the ticket. I am convinced that if McCain ever gets nominated (hard to do seeing as he is a moderate and the GOP base hates moderates,) he would win over 500 electoral votes. Any man I listed here I would support as pres. I think I would prefer McCain, but JB is cool too. Imagine having a pres election where you had trouble choosing because you liked both so much ...

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May I just say that I really really REALLY love Condi Rice? I want Powell/Rice on the ticket ! They'd win in a landslide too, but neither wants the job.

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it would be but I can't imagine two women competing for the US presidency, I don't think the establishment would accept that.
Not to mention that Hilary Clinton would be an assasination target. And a black woman leading the GOP? I just don't see it, even if it's Condi.

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May I just say that I really really REALLY love Condi Rice? I want Powell/Rice on the ticket ! They'd win in a landslide too, but neither wants the job.
It may come as a shock to you but the conservative south would probably prefer two Democrats over them too. I think you're deluding yourself.

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Dems will likely go with Hilary.
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I don't know if they are willing, but I think John McCain and Rudy Guliani are charismatic and intelligent Republicans who can think for themselves and appeal to a wide base. I disagree with some of their politics, but also admire them in many ways. As a democrat, I hope they do not run...

Colin Powell has always garnered a lot of respect. I do believe that he lost some face in the past four years, however. Bush has put Powell in some difficult situations.

The Democrats don't seem to have any candidate who stands out without some significant factors working against them. Obama has a great future ahead of him. 2008 may be too soon for him to run for President. But if things get desperate, I don't think they should rule him out.

Personally, I would like to see Hillary Clinton give it a go, but she will have a VERY tough time doing damage in the so-called "red states." Edwards is an option --- but the fact that he didn't even gain much support for the ticket in his home state this year is troubling.

I hope the Dems can find a good candidate.
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Republican Candidate: John McCain

Democrat Candidate: Ummm, either Hillary Clinton or John Edwards

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LOL> I'm still waiting for them to find out Bush and Howard cheated.

IMO>I'm thinking of starting to look into how the voting works because these two should be in jail not leading countries.IMO
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Republican Candidate: John McCain

Democrat Candidate: Ummm, either Hillary Clinton or John Edwards
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Hell yeah!! Condoleeza Rice vs. Hilary Clinton!! Even though I definitely want Hilary, I could deal with Condoleeza because I find her to be a very intelligent, well-spoken woman, even if she is Republican lol

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Jeb Bush? Possibly, I think the Bush family would love to be able to say that a father and two children were president of the United States, and he obviously can command the same forces that put his brother in power, but I think that although Jeb Bush will eventually be a candidate, it won't be in 2008, the reason is that even is dubya does a good job I don't think voters are going to accept one Bush succeeding another, it would look like an hereditary monarchy.
I think an oligarchy in that family is already on the way, so why not Jeb B. ?
But let's see how this dull conservatism culminates in the new administration. Maybe we get Wolfowitz in 2008 - declaring WWIII to Vietnam and North Korea then ...

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Colin Powell?
no, much too liberal and made too many apparent Hollywood-mistakes in front of the UN-crowd

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Rumsfeld? no, too old
right, but that mummy will live on under president Wolfowitz

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Ashcroft? too dull
yes

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Schwarzennegger?, he could gurantee a third republican period. But they need to change the constitution, I can only see them doing that if they are too desperate.
Arni will be needed in CA to take 55 elv's for the GOP

Condolizaaaaaaa Rice? no, never. By far too less charisma ... (and a member of a minority, omg ...)
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Democrats:

most likely to me: JOHN EDWARDS
clever, wise, charisma, antipode to eight years of madness ...
and
still in good age then ! (not too young and not too old)

Hillary Clinton ? a dream, but too European (what 50% Americans will hate in 2008 ), a woman with too much brain ... (arguments havn't even worked in 2004 so why should they in 2008?)

Obama ? African roots ... No. Conservativs dislike foreign influence (as we've seen)
[but my hope if something changes in the mentality of the ]50%[ < x < ]55%[ ]


my prediction for 2008

PAUL WOLFOWITZ [extreme right winged] ~vs~ JOHN EDWARDS [LIBERAL, for some COMMUNIST ]
polarized 2008 campaign as Americans want it, white vs. black, no shades of grey ...

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There could be surprises as to who will run and get the nomination. For the Dems, look for New Mexico governor Bill Richardson and senator Evan Bayh. They're both moderate and Richardson appeals to the latinos. Bill Frist will probably run in the Republican primaries.

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