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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old Nov 4th, 2004, 10:17 PM Thread Starter
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Anybody hear about the MANDATORY DRAFT that may start in June 2005?

If Bush has his way, there will be a mandatory draft for ALL MEN AND WOMEN between the ages of 18-26. College will not be an option. Even if you're in the middle of college, you still go if you're called. Canada is not an option either. The US made an agreement with Canada that they have the right to send people back to the US if they are caught trying to cross the border or even if they're already in Canada they can be sent back. Canadian officials said that anybody who really wants to leave will have to go through the immigration process like anybody else, which can take up to a year.

However, the people who actually brought up the bill at first were pretty leftist liberals, specifically in New York. So the good news is that I think their goal is to get the bill up and running so they can vote it down. I guess their goal is to keep putting down having a mandatory draft every single year. But it's ultimately going to be passed one of these years.

There may be other ways around it though. For example, I will be doing two things. Because I am a pacifist, I am going to send a letter addressed to myself saying that I am unable to fight in the war because I am strongly opposed to it based on my beliefs. That way in the unlikely event I get called up, I can give them that note and one of two things will likely happen:

1) I simply won't go
2) I'll go, but I won't be out on the battlefield; I'll be doing something else to serve our country that doesn't involve trenches and a gun.

I also intend to milk the ****** card for all it's worth in the unlikely event I get called up

BUT STILL...this shit is going to go down potentially and we as a nation honestly support it?
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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old Nov 4th, 2004, 10:38 PM
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Where did you hear all of this?

How about posting a link?

Bush flat out said that he would not reinstate the draft, so show us all a link where he said otherwise....

Also, the only person that I've heard of that has talked about the draft recently was Charles Rangle. And not for the reasons that you spoke of. His reasoning was so that the demographic of the armed forces would be more representative of the US population. (However, if you look at the demographic of the armed forces compared to the demographic of the US, it's not really that far off.) I think that he thinks he's going to get a bunch of "whites" and "rich kids" drafted, but 1) the military is already mostly white, and 2) what is the percentage of kids that are "rich"? 1/1000? 1/10000? I'm sure the military already has more than this ratio enlisted.
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I'm going to claim I'm gay, and OUT. And also if I have to, I'll go check myself into a mental institution before I go and fight for that bastard son of an idiot!

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I don't have a link...I got the information off of an email that has some links you can go to that give information on the bill...here's the email (it's gonna come out a little bit weird, so sorry in advance)

THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE AWARE OF!! BUT
IT'S
> BEING KEPT A

SECRET:


Mandatory draft for boys and girls(ages 18-26) starting
June
15, 2005.

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (twinbills: S89 and

HR

163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft
can begin as

early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential
election. The
administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed
now, while

the public's attention is on the elections, so our action
on
this is

needed immediately. Details and links follow.
This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education
as a shelter
and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into
Canada
has already
been made very difficult.
Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you
know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . . And let
your children know
it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for
change! This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in
detail
> at this website:

> > http://thomas.loc.gov/
> >
> >
> >
> > Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up
> the bill for
> >
> > you to read. It is less than two pages long.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN
> from ages 18
> >
> > - 26
> >
> > in a draft for military action. In addition, college will
> no longer be
> >
> > an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing
an
> agreement
> >
> > with Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting
to
> dodge the
> >
> > draft to stay within it's borders.
> >
> >
> >
> > This bill also includes the extention of military service
> for all those
> >
> > that are currently active. If you go to the selcet
service
> web site
> >
> > and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see the reasoning
for
> this is to
> >
> > increase the size of the military in case of terrorism.
> This is a
> >
> > critical piece of legislation, this will
> >
> > effect our undergradates, our children and our
> grandchildren. Please
> >
> > take the time to write your congressman and let them know
> how you feel
> >
> > about this
> >
> > legislation.
> >
> >
> >
> > www.house.gov
> >
> > www.senate.gov
> >
> >
> >
> > Please also write to your representatives and ask them why
> they aren't
> >
> > telling their constituents about these bills and write to
> newspapers
> >
> > and
> >
> > other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering
> this important
> >
> > story.
> >
> >
> >
> > The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective
> service
> >
> > system
> >
> > budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as
> early as
> >
> > June 15,
> >
> > 2005.
> >
> >
> >
> > Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005
> that the
> >
> > system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for
> activation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the
> Selective
> >
> > Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004.
> >
> >
> >
> > The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill
all
> 10,350
> >
> > draft
> >
> > board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots
nationwide.
> Though this
> >
> > is
> >
> > an unpopular election year topic, military experts and
> influential
> >
> > members
> >
> > of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction
of
> a "long,
> >
> > hard
> >
> > slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war
> on terrorism)
> >
> > proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.hslda.org/legislation/nat...89/default.asp
> entitled the
> >
> > Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for
the
> common
> >
> > defense
> >
> > by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the
> United States,
> >
> > including women, perform a period of military service or a
> period of
> >
> > civilian service in furtherance of the national defense
and
> homeland
> >
> > security, and for other purposes." These active bills
> currently sit in
> >
> > the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will
be
> more
> >
> > difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and
> Canada will not
> >
> > be options.
> >
> >
> >
> > In December, 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart
> border
> >
> > declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft
> dodgers in.
> >
> > Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John
> Manley, and U.S.
> >
> > Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration
> involves a 30
> >
> > point plan which
> >
> > implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance
agreement"
> of people
> >
> > entering and departing each country.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along
> gender and class
> >
> > lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.
> Underclassmen
> >
> > would
> >
> > only be able to postpone service until the end of their
> current
> >
> > semester.
> >
> > Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
> >
> > What to do:
> >
> > Tell your friends
> >
> >
> >
> > Contact your legislators and ask them to oppose these bills
> >
> >
> >
> > Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input
> your zip
> >
> > code.
> >
> > A list of your reps will pop up with a way to email them
> directly.
> >
> > We can't just sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will
> go away. We
> >
> > must
> >
> > voice our concerns and create the world we want to live in
> for our
> >
> > children and
> >
> > grandchildren.
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There's always this option: http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

Seriously, I don't think it'll happen.
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I haven't heard anything about a draft, but I suspect if Bush wants to continue to mobolize forces in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as keep soliders on designated bases all over the world, he will have no choice but to reinstitute the draft. At this point, most young adults do not want to enter the reserves because they know that they will sent off to war. Not even college is worth dying for anymore. At least, this is my opinion.
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Dude, that EMAIL IS INACCURATE AND TRYING TO SCARE YOU!!!!!!!! Obviously, it succeeded.

Why do people believe EVERYTHING that someone sends them????

Check this out:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=200

Summary



Several FactCheck subscribers have asked about an e-mailed rumor that is causing a lot of anxiety. It claims that steps are being taken to resume military conscription next year. But the message abounds with misinformation and half-truths. And some experts say conscription is the last thing the military wants or needs, despite being stretched thin in Iraq.


Analysis



We can't say whether this one is deliberate misinformation or just sloppy reporting, but it sure is generating a lot of needless anxiety. It amounts to another "lying e-mail" of the kind we've warned about before (check the links to "related articles" at the end of this one.)

....

The Scare Story

A different -- and misleading -- story is being circulated by e-mail and posted on any number of mostly left-leaning websites, claiming that the Bush administration is "quietly trying" to pass legislation to reactivate the draft, and that $28 million has been added to the Selective Service budget this year to prepare for a military draft that could start "as early as June 15, 2005."

The message is false or misleading on several counts.

--The bills are not being pushed. It's quite true that the two bills mentioned would require both men and women aged 18 through 25 to perform a two-year period of "national service," which incidentally could be either military or non-military service. But the bills are sponsored only by Democrats, and there's not the slightest evidence that the Bush administration is pushing for them, quietly or otherwise.


One bill is HR 163 , whose principal sponsor is Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel of New York. It has 14 co-sponsors, all of them Democrats in a Congress controlled by Republicans. The bill was dead on arrival: it sits in a House subcommittee with no hearings or votes scheduled and no action expected.

In fact, Rangel told FactCheck.org through his spokesman Emile Milne that even he isn't pushing for passage, let alone Bush (emphasis added):

Rep. Rangel: I'm not pushing this bill . It's up to the President to come to me when he needs it.



....

SOUND FAMILIAR?????
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In case you need more proof:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_draft.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40702

http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/new...240838,00.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp

Sorry, but you got duped! Who knows how many votes this kind of crap swung into Kerry's favor. Luckily, it didn't work.
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cheesestix, If Bush does currently keep overtaxing our military and each day more and more of them die. And without a doubt, less are joining each day, as is dying. How long before you seriously think this "false idea of a draft" is going to have before it takes place?

I'm sure during Vietnam when it first started nobody thought there would be a draft. But several years and lost lives later there was one. I should know, my father was drafted by them, and the only reason he wasn't sent to Vietnam for his first tour was because Kenedy was assasinated.

I'm not saying this is true or not. But several of us young enough, and not blind enough to fight and die for the fool in office better start working on a back up plan. Be it insanity, pleaing gay, or whatever... You better get something going. Because our military is already overtaxed, and it's not going to be too much longer before what that email preaches is going to be the cold hard facts. You can't argue that our military is just fine. You know more are dying everyday than are joining. And we have our guards and reservists over there... Do you think, logically that sounds like our military isn't in need of a boost in sign ups?

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Iraq is not Vietnam, not even close.

That email is bogus. Its only intent was to scare people into voting against Bush, and it probably succeeded.

Quote:
You know more are dying everyday than are joining.
Okay, that statement is just assinine! Do you actually put any thought into what you say?
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That email is bogus. Its only intent was to scare people into voting against Bush, and it probably succeeded.
That email was created AFTER Bush got elected.
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If this happens, I'll bet you American "gay" males population will be at an all-time high.

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If this happens, I'll bet you American "gay" males population will be at an all-time high.
I'm pretty sure you can't just walk in and say that. Otherwise that's what everyone would do. To say you can't fight for whatever reason is an extremely lengthy and elaborate process. You need to send a letter to yourself way before you were ever called up to go to war saying you can't fight for that particular reason, you need to have family who can verify it, friends, people who know you but don't have any particular relation to you, you're definitely questioned about it. It's not nearly as simple as you think.
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