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Really Pisses me off....

These religious people say they go by the Bible, but I went to a church this past weekend with a friend of mine and almost all of the people there were FAT. It says in the Bible that glutony is a sin. Does this mean the heavy people are going to hell and cant get married?
Now, im not downing the heavy peeps, dont get me wrong. Im simply making a point. Saying, because u are heavy, u are going to hell. That is crazy. I know that. Also, someone in my family got a speeding ticket last weekend. Now, I posed this question to him. It says in the Bible to obey the laws of the land. Obviously, he broke them. Is he going to hell?

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oops u are right, never noticed that. Thanx

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Just because someone is heavy doesnt necessarily mean they engaged in gluttony.
Also maybe they did get a speeding ticket but they were probably not intentionally trying to break the speed limit, so they did their best to obey the laws.
Surely you can think of better examples of how religious people are hyporites?
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Surely, you would know that it doesnt matter if you werent trying to get a ticket, you did break the law. Sin is sin.
Yes you are right, just because you weight 300 lbs, that means you dont eat alot and you dont glut. Yeah, ok.
At this church I went to, ALLL of the fat people were the first in line after services to eat and their plates were HUGE. The pastor was the one who was the biggest and all he said the whole hour and half I was there was how wrong homosexuality was. I just thought it was ironic after services that he was glutting the most.

I think they are perfect examples of how some relgious people only see outside of themselves.

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Well, one thing I can say about many "religious people"
(speaking from experience), they only adhere to parts of the Bible.

For example,
"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31

Take the so-called "religious people" outside of abortion clinics spouting hate or protesting some sort of gay/lesbian event.

I can see not agreeing with it and such and letting others know that.
However, to damn people to hell and persecute them and what not baffles me when the Bible clearly states that God is the final judge and they aren't to judge lest they be judged themselves.

Matt 7:1 & 2
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.


Now, I know we are all only human and are prone to mistakes but
I'm talking of those who act "hollier than thou" and would
put on to the world that they are so upright and good!

I've in my short time on this earth have witness 1st hand such people
only to find out the skeletons that were in their closet and how they could
damn people for doing something they themselves were/are guilty of.
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Bible or not, being thin is really important in Hollywood. If L.B. Mayer had found a burning bush in the Hollywood Hills and God gave him the Ten Hollywood Commandments, being thin would have been up there like the one about not killing other people.

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These religious people say they go by the Bible, but I went to a church this past weekend with a friend of mine and almost all of the people there were FAT. It says in the Bible that glutony is a sin. Does this mean the heavy people are going to hell and cant get married?
Now, im not downing the heavy peeps, dont get me wrong. Im simply making a point. Saying, because u are heavy, u are going to hell. That is crazy. I know that. Also, someone in my family got a speeding ticket last weekend. Now, I posed this question to him. It says in the Bible to obey the laws of the land. Obviously, he broke them. Is he going to hell?
This is a popular, and totally contrived misconception about the bible, and particularly, the teachings (as we know them) of Jesus Christ. I am the last person on this board to want to be seen as bible-thumping or trying to convert anyone- as many people here know that is not me. I'm not here to convert you, however, if you read the bible, and particularly what is commonly accepted as the teachings of the Christ, nowhere does he or any of his followers say that any particular sin other than rejecting Christ as ones personal savior will prevent the individual from heaven. Christ even gained the faith and belief of a murderer on one side of him as he was being crucified, and he had the wherewithal to tell that man that this day he shall see him in paradise. What this means is that fat people, murderers, adulterers, gays, people who flew planes into the World Trade Center, pedophiles, rapists, republicans, democrats, transexuals, law-abiding citizens, ANYONE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY MAY HAVE OR HAVE NOT DONE, can escape hell through accepting Christ as their personal savior. It's a simple concept, but one which is twisted and lost on most people searching to blame or find a scapegoat to justify their own personal beliefs and mores.

There- does that make fat people in bad suits any more attractive to you?

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Gotta love the Bible-

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They keep phoning the police claiming that the odor is noxious. Should I smite the guy next door after the cops leave?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her given that she's only 12-years-old?

3. And speaking of children, my teenage son is stubborn and rebellious. I know that I should have him stoned to death by all the men in the city (Deut. 21:18), but I live in a city of over a million, and that's just not going to be easy to organize. Couldn't I just get my buddies at work to pump a few rounds from a shotgun in him for target practice?

4. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

5. (For Americans only) Lev. 25:44 which states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? I have been unable to find any reference to Canada in the Bible. Why can't I own Canadians?

6. The guy down the street insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or can I round up a posse of neighbours and stone him to death first thing Monday morning?

7. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? This is a serious problem for me as my wife (husband) loves shellfish.

8. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear contacts. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

9. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they be put to death?

10. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

11. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)?

12. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

13. Jesus says Himself that if a Christian drinks a deadly poison, it won't hurt him at all. (Mark 16:18) I think that's absolutely amazing. Since you're a devout Christian, could you demonstrate that to me by swallowing this bottle of rat poison?
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Great post aswell. It does not matter how great the sin is because all sin is equal and God forgives all sin when the sinner asks for forgiveness.
Of course, we could then quite naturally dissect the origins of the word and concept of "sin" itself, and begin discussing "sindh" and the vedic scriptures, and "christ" and "krishna" concepts, and "abraham" and "a brahmin" origins, or even the origins of the "Queen of Heaven" as the "Virgin Mary". I'm game- anyone else?

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Your above post was a good point Kabuki but I do not agree with ur mockery of the Bible at all.
Sorry. The Bible hasn't shown me a lot of respect either.
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Being gay, attracted to the same sex, is not a sin, but the action of same-sex intercourse is.

That is what the bible indicates. (just so I don't get badrepped just telling everyone these are the bibles views, not mine)
Guys, you don't want me to copy and paste the whole chapter of Leviticus where that comes from AGAIN, do you?

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Being gay, attracted to the same sex, is not a sin, but the action of same-sex intercourse is.

That is what the bible indicates. (just so I don't get badrepped just telling everyone these are the bibles views, not mine)
Now that baffles me more than anything.

As humans we need emotional and physical companionship.
Otherwise, what was the point of creating Eve.

Sidenote, that's why celebit
priest and nuns baffle me as well.

It's not like you can't be a man or woman of God
and not be married, having that emotional and
physical connection with another human being.

Back to the point,

I don't understand how one being attracked to the same-sex isn't
a sin but having a physical relationship isn't?

I would think that lying was the sin.

Forinstance, a person knowing their gay or maybe thinking they are
in their heart but, marrying someone of the opposite sex to try and get rid
of or hide those feelings an escape the persecution and stigma that comes
from those religous people.

So, you're saying that one can be attracked to the same-sex and desire
to be with that person, but so long as they never have sex with that person it's not a sin?

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Well, I first of all, I dont think heavy people etc are going to hell. I was just making light of the situation that I was in.

I have one last question for those who seem to know much about the Bible. This is a serious question and Im totally not making light of the Bible. Just a question. When I was about 10, I had a crush on a boy. At that age, I didnt know it was considered wrong. I told my mother and she scorned me and actually "whipped" me for being "bad." I was a good child. I made good grades, I did what I was told concerning my parents and every nite I would go to sleep and pray to God to make me NOT LIKE boys. Even as I entered junior high and high school, I would pray. Obviously, that didnt help me and I still like boys. If its a sin, why did he not hear my prayers? Please dont tell me that God makes us make our own decisions etc. I was a hurt, lonely child that ask this of God.

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Well, I first of all, I dont think heavy people etc are going to hell. I was just making light of the situation that I was in.

I have one last question for those who seem to know much about the Bible. This is a serious question and Im totally not making light of the Bible. Just a question. When I was about 10, I had a crush on a boy. At that age, I didnt know it was considered wrong. I told my mother and she scorned me and actually "whipped" me for being "bad." I was a good child. I made good grades, I did what I was told concerning my parents and every nite I would go to sleep and pray to God to make me NOT LIKE boys. Even as I entered junior high and high school, I would pray. Obviously, that didnt help me and I still like boys. If its a sin, why did he not hear my prayers? Please dont tell me that God makes us make our own decisions etc. I was a hurt, lonely child that ask this of God.
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