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I heard it said on 'progressive' radio that 'there was no Democratic leadership'

By this, they meant politically.

I would not necessarily disagree with this.

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who can command the Black vote?

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who can command the Latino vote?

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who can command the labor vote?

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who ever speaks about poverty?

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who can command the women's vote?

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who can command the Jewish vote?

What Democrat politician in American is eligible to be president who can command the youth vote?

It used to be that the leadership of the Democrats could unify that diverse constituency.

Who's gonna do that now? Who could?

Hillary?

I'd vote for her in a second, but unless Bush makes a complete and total hash of his second term, terrifying 90% of America, could she be elected?

Edwards will run again. Dean might. Any of those names seem ready to unify the party?

Barak Obama isn't going to be ready to start a Presidential run in two years, much less take over the party.

The 'Liberal vs New Democrat vs Progressive' split in the Democratic party hasn't been healed.

Who's the leader of the Democratic Party?

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Clinton wasn't at the top of the party or well-know politician 12 years ago when he won the White house for the first time, so, I think, Obama is the best candidate. He won't have a lot of "bad" baggage like Kerry did, he is articulate, has charisma.

Edwards was a huge dissapointment IMO. He'd better not to run.

I'd love Hillary to become a president, but that's just utopia. She will never be elected a president IMO.

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Clinton wasn't at the top of the party or well-know politician 12 years ago when he won the White house for the first time, so, I think, Obama is the best candidate. He won't have a lot of "bad" baggage like Kerry did, he is articulate, has charisma.

Edwards was a huge dissapointment IMO. He'd better not to run.

I'd love Hillary to become a president, but that's just utopia. She will never be elected a president IMO.
i agree about Edwards, he was not really impressive, and i think Howard Dean is finished as a presidential contender. But you are selling Hillary short - like a lot of people youre discounting her because she's a woman. With the right campaign, she could win a big percentage of white women's crossover Republican votes.

Obama needs to prove himself more, maybe in 8 or 12 years he could be a Democratic nominee. Hillary has the inside edge right now though, if she wants it.
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Realistically? No Hillary and no Obama.. The last election showed, in pure mathematical terms that to win Democrats must win some of White/Christian/Conservative states who now represent a popular majority. You won't have a slightest chance in the world to win over a conservative voter with a woman or an African-American in next few decades.

It could be Kerry again. It could be Gore again. That is possible. I hope it is not Edwards..

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to hope that hillary will win cross-over votes from white republican women is being overly optimistic. they probably fear her even more than their male counterparts.

as for obama...to carry an entire country? just not happening.

in the end it comes down to mathematics and the repubs have a huge headstart in terms of safe states. unless some of the mid-western states start going blue, democrats start with the huge handicap of having to win almost all the battleground states while repubs can get away with capturing a few of the big ones like Florida and Ohio. at the moment it seems more likely, if anything that coastal states will go red than heartland states going blue.

dean? maybe - at least he has a constituency.
gore? i dunno, usually you lose an election and youre finished.
but i think it'll take more than the "great leader". the party seems to be disorganized and lacking grassroots support.



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He has to be charming and come from the South

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He has to be charming and come from the South
Like Bush?

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Like Bush?


Who were the last two Democratic presidents, and where did they come from?

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On a trivial note, I constantly get confused by this business of the more right-wing party called "red" and the more left-wing party "blue". I have to stop and think each time. Who dreamed that up?

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I think the red and blue designations simply arose from consolidation of electoral maps. One network would have Republican states red and Democratic states blue, and the next would be vice versa. Very confusing for channel hoppers. "Wait a minute, I thought so-and-so won that state???" They just agreed on uniform presentation.

As for Democrats winning Southern states, I don't necessarily agree that it's a lost cause. I think the problem for them is, many of them do. Which is why they don't spend much time campaigning there.

There are two important elements which make a voter support a candidate: agreement with his/her stance on the issues (or at least the ones deemed most important) and comfort with the candidate. The first involves getting your message to the voters. Charles Schumer underscored this on the Daily Show. He said the Dems' stances on social issues still were in line with the vast majority of Americans, but they did a poor job of communicating it.

Which brings us back to the North/South thing, and the general Southern mistrust of "Yankees". It's much easier to hate an abstract. If all Southerners know of Northerners is the stereotype, and a perceived lack of respect, they are not likely to vote for them, or even listen to them. Prospective Democratic Presidential candidates have to make Southerners comfortable with them. They need to spend a lot of time in these Southern states, not just talking to people, but talking with people. Explain not just what you're going to do, but why, and listen respectfully to their concerns.

I wouldn't write off any states as being out of reach. USA Today printed electoral maps of every election since 1972. Did you know that the entire west coast used to be red? Clinton turned it all blue. And Reagan, the father of modern conservatism, captured most of the NE blue states.
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I think the Democrats can also win votes in the South by setting up local networks. If they have good people in the local communities who can communicate the Democratic message, it might help.

I also thought that Kerry should not have done such a big effort for Florida. I mean, that state has Jeb Bush as a governor. Maybe he should have concentrated on some of the southern states with less electors.

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He has to be charming and come from the South
No I agree with you there.

I think John Edwards is the answer but we'll see.




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Realistically? No Hillary and no Obama.. The last election showed, in pure mathematical terms that to win Democrats must win some of White/Christian/Conservative states who now represent a popular majority. You won't have a slightest chance in the world to win over a conservative voter with a woman or an African-American in next few decades.

It could be Kerry again. It could be Gore again. That is possible. I hope it is not Edwards..
You're right, but why not Edwards?




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Edwards couldn't even help to win his own state this election. just useless.

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On a trivial note, I constantly get confused by this business of the more right-wing party called "red" and the more left-wing party "blue". I have to stop and think each time. Who dreamed that up?
Leopard : Left wing is most died in the States only has the middle and the right. It's very different from European politics. Well in terms of varity anyway.

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