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how bush stole florida...again

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Electronic Voting Machine Woes Reported

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By RACHEL KONRAD, AP Technology Writer

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Voters nationwide reported some 1,100 problems with electronic voting machines on Tuesday, including trouble choosing their intended candidates.

The e-voting glitches reported to the Election Protection Coalition, an umbrella group of volunteer poll monitors that set up a telephone hotline, included malfunctions blamed on everything from power outages to incompetent poll workers.

But there were also several dozen voters in six states — particularly Democrats in Florida — who said the wrong candidates appeared on their touch-screen machine's checkout screen, the coalition said.

In many cases, voters said they intended to select John Kerry (news - web sites) but when the computer asked them to verify the choice it showed them instead opting for President Bush (news - web sites), the group said.

Ralph G. Neas, president of People for the American Way Foundation, which helped form the coalition, called the summary screen problem "troubling but anecdotal."

He and other voting rights advocates said the disproportionate number of Democrats reporting such problems was probably due to higher awareness of voter protection coalitions.

"Overall, the problems of outright voter intimidation and suppression have not been as great as in the past," Neas said.

But the reports did highlight computer scientists' concerns about touch screens, which they say are prone to tampering and unreliable unless they produce paper records for recounts.

Roberta Harvey, 57, of Clearwater, Fla., said she had tried at least a half dozen times to select Kerry-Edwards when she voted Tuesday at Northwood Presbyterian Church.

After 10 minutes trying to change her selection, the Pinellas County resident said she called a poll worker and got a wet-wipe napkin to clean the touch screen as well as a pencil so she could use its eraser-end instead of her finger. Harvey said it took about 10 attempts to select Kerry before and a summary screen confirmed her intended selection.

Election officials in several Florida counties where voters complained about such problems did not return calls Tuesday night.

A spokesoman for the company that makes the touch-screen machines used in Pinellas, Palm Beach and two other Florida counties, Alfie Charles of Sequoia Voting Systems Inc., said the machines' monitors may need to be recalibrated periodically.

The most likely reason the summary screen showed wrong candidates was because voters pushed the wrong part of the touch screen in the first place, Charles said.

He said poll workers are trained to perform the recalibration whenever a voter says the touch screen isn't sensitive enough.

"Voters will vote quickly and they'll notice that they made an error when they get to the review screen. The review screen is doing exactly what it needs to do — notifying voters what selections are about to be recorded," Charles said. "On a paper ballot, you don't get a second chance to make sure you voted for whom you intended, and it's a strong point in favor of these machines."

The Election Protection Coalition received a total of 32 reports of touch-screen voters who selected one candidate only to have another show up on the summary screen, Cindy Cohn, legal director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a coalition member.

David Dill, a Stanford University computer scientist whose Verified Voting Foundation also belongs to the coalition, said he wouldn't "prejudge and say the election is going smoothly just because we have a small number of incident reports out of the total population.

"It's not going to be until the dust clears probably tomorrow that we have even an approximate idea of what happened," Dill added.

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i dont see the big deal...the summary screen gives them a chance to correct their votes. and 32 reported cases? lol keep trying

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LWB, as much as you would like for America to be a dictatorship, in a DEMOCRACY, every single person entitled to vote for the man they want to vote for. not just the people you argee with.

and you are clearly an idiot who knows nothing about evoting hacking.

independent reports should how a 9 year old can hack a paperless evoting machines and cast thousands of votes.

and guess what? without a paper trail there is NO WAY to track just how many people this has happen to. hell there is no way to track if any one evote is legit.

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how does this show that bush stole florida?
come again... he's up by 350,000 votes in the state...
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Bush rode the good publicity from his work following the hurricanes to this win.

Never before has someone benefitted so much from natural disasters and tragedies.

Well, except for Michael Moore.
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Jiggly .... get over it ...... this is pathetic
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yes
everyone is entitled to their vote
and your article talks about people voting, if the machine messes up, being able to fix it thanks to the summary screen
maybe if your article had a better point to it you might get more objective reactions

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how does this show that bush stole florida?
come again... he's up by 350,000 votes in the state...
simple, one person can cast 400,000, 600,000, or really any number of votes needed as i have said before, without a paper trail, there is really no way to prove that any one e-vote is legit. the problem underscored, in the article is that there is no recount, no way to know that anyone one evote is legit.

if you feel you love bush enough to not care about the election process. go on about your bussiness, but if you care about a fair process, you should really know how evil evoting machines are. and almost all independent scientist agree. here just a sample of all the known problems with evoting:

http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Comput...3-5384946.html

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115891,00.asp

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Bush rode the good publicity from his work following the hurricanes to this win.

Never before has someone benefitted so much from natural disasters and tragedies.

Well, except for Michael Moore.
wtf are you talking about? people benefit from such things ALL THE TIME.
if people are going through a difficult time and someone helps them out, it bodes well for them.
pure genius
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So basically someone can cast 400 000 votes for Kerry. So maybe without the electronic problems, Bush would win Florida with a 750 000 difference instead of 350 000.
YES!! that means that NOT ONE vote in any district were there is evoting means anything. can not be tracked. can not be validated.

whats worse, is that trained hackers can DELETE votes.

so say 150,000 votes were cast for bush or kerry, someone can go in and erase those votes and put 150,000 in the nader camp.

do some research on evoting, i have always said evoting = pure evil.

plus,

only in WTAworld does "FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Voters nationwide reported some 1,100 problems with electronic voting machines on Tuesday, including trouble choosing their intended candidates." get read as only 30 some poeple had problems.

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simple, one person can cast 400,000, 600,000, or really any number of votes needed as i have said before, without a paper trail, there is really no way to prove that any one e-vote is legit. the problem underscored, in the article is that there is no recount, no way to know that anyone one evote is legit.

if you feel you love bush enough to not care about the election process. go on about your bussiness, but if you care about a fair process, you should really know how evil evoting machines are. and almost all independent scientist agree. here just a sample of all the known problems with evoting:

http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Comput...3-5384946.html

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115891,00.asp
But how does your article prove that Bush benefitted?
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YES!! that means that NOT ONE vote in any district were there is evoting means anything. can not be tracked. can not be validated.

whats worse, is that trained hackers can DELETE votes.

so say 150,000 votes were cast for bush or kerry, someone can go in and erase those votes and put 150,000 in the nader camp.

do some research on evoting, i have always said evoting = pure evil.

plus,

only in WTAworld does "FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Voters nationwide reported some 1,100 problems with electronic voting machines on Tuesday, including trouble choosing their intended candidates." get read as only 30 some poeple had problems.
So why don't you PROVE how it this article justifies your title????

How did Bush steal the election?

Flaws in the system can only help Bush?
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