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Executing Young Girls...Israeli-style

Two Girls, Two Shots To The Head
The Guardian - UK
10-6-4

Islam Dwidar's classmates were still taking in her shocking death - the teacher weeping outside before facing the girls, her closest friend recounting how they walked to school together each day - when the news arrived about Tahreer Abu El Jidyan.

The two 15-year-old pupils at Jabaliya's school were both shot in the head by Israeli soldiers inside their homes just a few blocks and several hours apart. Islam died almost immediately after the bullet smashed through her forehead as she baked bread with her mother in their yard on Sunday. Tahreer is still on life support at a Gaza hospital after an operation to remove shards of shattered skull from her brain.

She lies motionless, with little to suggest she is alive other than gentle breathing. Doctors do not expect her to survive.

Tahreer's mother, Intisar, was at her bedside yesterday.

"Oh Tahreer, my heart. I wish I were lying in this bed, not you," she whispered to her child. "She was sweeping the floor in front of the door," said Mrs Abu El Jidyan. "I was standing talking to her. We knew the Israeli soldiers were around, we knew they had snipers in the buildings on our street but we didn't expect what happened. They just shot her in the head. Her brains spilled out. She said: 'Mum, I'm hit'. She praised God and she collapsed."

There were two bullets. The first struck Tahreer in the head. As she fell, the second hit the wall behind her. "I've no doubt a sniper shot her deliberately. There was no fighting in the area. There were no other shots, only the ones that hit Tahreer," said her mother.

With her stood Tahreer's 14-year-old brother, Naser, who was wounded by shrapnel last week. Israeli forces killed their father 11 years ago during the first intifada.

Mrs Abu El Jidyan regrets preventing Tahreer from walking to school on Sunday morning. She thought it would be too dangerous to venture out of their home in Jabaliya's Sikka neighbourhood because it is on the edge of the area occupied by Israeli troops and tanks last week. Snipers are posted in buildings overlooking their street and a tank is less than a block away.

"I wouldn't let her out of the house but it was dangerous at home too. When there was fighting, bullets came through the walls. We stopped using some rooms on the side where the Israelis are," she said.

Israeli and Palestinian human rights groups say that about half of the nearly 80 people killed by the army over the past week of "Operation Days of Penitence" are civilians. The military says it has carefully targeted Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters with missile strikes.

But while the numbers are in dispute - in part because it is often hard to say whether youths in their mid to late teens are bystanders or part of the Palestinian resistance - there is no doubt that a growing number of children have been felled by Israeli snipers.

At Islam and Tahreer's school in Jabaliya yesterday morning, the headmistress, Rukaya Kamal al Budani, fielded calls from parents wanting to know if it was safe to send their girls. "If they can get here, it's safe," was her stock reply. But of 1,150 pupils, fewer than 200 turned up.

Before word reached the school about Tahreer, Mrs al Budani was getting to grips with the death of Islam.

"This is our first casualty at the school," she said. "I don't know how to deal with the girls. It's going to have a big impact on her classmates and friends. I'm shocked that no one in the free world condemns the killing of a child."

Then one of the male teachers tells Mrs al Budani about the shooting of Tahreer the previous day. The headmistress sits in silence.

Until June, the two young women had been classmates, but then Tahreer failed her exams and was held back for a year. Asmaa Abu Samaan walked to school with her each morning.

"I met her in front of my house each morning to walk to school. I did my homework with her. I keep thinking that if she is brain-dead and not killed perhaps she is still suffering. I can't stand it," she said.

Asmaa walked to school yesterday morning without her friend."I walked against the wall hoping the soldiers can't see me. I want to go to school because I know the Jews do not want us to study because we need to be educated to build our country," she said.

But the killing went on as the conflict claimed the life of another teenage girl in the Gaza strip yesterday. Palestinian medics said Israeli soldiers fired about 20 bullets into 13- year-old Iman al-Hams, including five into her head.

The military said she had entered a forbidden zone in Rafah refugee camp, and that she dropped a bag that soldiers feared was a bomb.

The Palestinians said Iman was walking to school when troops entered the camp and that she dropped her bag as she ran away in fear.

The bag was not found to contain a bomb.

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and just what is "Israeli-style" supposed to mean?
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I guess it means that since this murdering of children is sanctioned by the Israeli government it is not considered "terrorism" unlike the Palestinian suicide bombers.
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Of course the palestinians are all terrorists and anything Israel does is self-defence, and if you don't agree you're an anti-semite.
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the thugs of Isreal

Woman escorting Palestinian kids beaten by mob of Israeli teens in Hebron

By BILL LAYE, CALGARY SUN

Threats -- and now a beating -- from militant Israeli settlers has a Calgary aid worker volunteering in Hebron vowing she'll be staying put. Diane Janzen, 28, and an Italian worker, whose name isn't being released, were returning to their quarters at about 3 p.m. local time after walking five Palestinian children home from school in the area when a mob of eight Israeli teenagers from the nearby Ma'on settlement attacked them with sticks.

The Italian man suffered a broken arm and had his camcorder stolen while he tried to film the attack.

Janzen, who works for Christian Peacemaker Teams, escaped shaken, but suffering only bruises.

"We're all people of God and we all believe in the same God, so why would they do it?" Janzen said from Hebron when contacted by the Sun yesterday.

"But this is nothing compared to what the Palestinians are going through every day."

The mob dispersed when an Amnesty International worker, who speaks Hebrew, told them police were being called.

Also hurt in this recent attack was AI worker Donatello Rovera.

Janzen said even though she was "sore and bruised," she would be escorting the children to and from school again today.

Over the past 12 years, the threats have been common, but this physical violence is cause for concern, said Janzen's boss, Doug Pritchard, a Toronto-based co-ordinator with the non-profit Christian Peacemaker Teams.

The interdenominational CPT currently has eight aid workers in the Hebron area and just 10 days earlier two others were beaten.

One remains in hospital with a punctured lung, Pritchard said, adding Janzen was the one who found the two "in a pool of blood" and called for help.

"She's pretty shaken ... it's been a pretty intense 10 days."

Pritchard adds he's disgusted that, so far, the Israeli authorities have made no arrests in either attacks and they appear to have very little concern given the situation.

He noted it took Israeli police more than 30 minutes to arrive when the call about this attack came in.

"It's pretty appalling," Pritchard said, adding he's hoping the publicity surrounding these assaults will force officials to act.

"It (the violence) has never reached this level before."

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First of all, it's known that the israli army has killed many civilians, like the palestinian terrorists have killed many israli civilians.

Said that, I find this article disturbing, because IMO it show the base why this conflict goes on and on and nobody seems to be able to stop it.

There is not a middle term, I never read/hear that both sides are wrong, either the palestinians are all murderers and terrorists and the israelis can do no wrong or the Isralis are murderers and the Palestinians are freedom fighters without responsiblity.

This article is very one-sided, it gives ONE side of the story, we know this girls were shot, but who do they know it was an israesli sniper? couldn't it have been a palestinian sniper?

Couldn't it have been a lost bullet? there were no fight there but bullets can travel long distances.

Were they really kill in those circumnstances? we know the palestinian terrorists use children.

I don't condone what israel does to civilians, but do they really have a choice?

the "brave" martyrs of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and co use civilians, including children as shields.

why has the fight to go to civilian areas? because the terrorists use civilian areas to protect themselves. Under those cicumnstances it's unavoidable that there will be civilian casualties.

Let's remember that israeli children have been killed by rockets fired from that area, or by suicide bombers.

One thing I am reasonably sure, the Israelis soldiers don't target civilians, especially kids for the sake of it, they may overreact, they might be trigger happy, they might not give a damn when they think they have no choice, but their aim is not to kill children, sure they think those children are the palestinian's responsibility not theirs, but that's not their objective, if anything else, they know it doesn't help their cause.

Palestinian gunmen do target children, they have deliberated shot children, or pregnant women, multiple times, not by accident, not out of fear, not as a collateral damage, simply because it's what they wanted to do.

Israel should make an effort to make a distinction between innocent civilians and terrorists, it's not easy but they should try, so should the western media.
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This stuff makes me feel bad to be an Israeli..I hear this stuff everyday on the news but this story got me..Its like me walking to school and getting shot..I hate the fact I have to deal with it..If Jews thought stuff like this was bad in WW2 keeping them in Ghettos(like Refugee camps) and getting killed just for sweeping the floor was bad then what do they think now..Though in WW2 it was much diffrent it is basically the killing of people for the joy of it..Karma.

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The case in this thread is very unusual, it has been seriously spoken on the media and the responsable will be charged and punished, but this is not the "Israeli-style" of protecting the nation and soldiers, we are not unhuman and animals like the Palestians, who kills innocent peoples and kids, as many as they can.

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Do you really think that if we gave the Palestinians everything they wanted that the war would stop? If you think so, bring on your EVIDENCE. Dont assume that the little guy is always oppressed and Right. The palestinians are not David and Israel Goliath. MOST of the Arab world has been and is still committed to wiping Israel right off the map and pulverising us into smitherines. That is the same for the United States. they dont want peace and harmony, they want to kill jews and Americans and are offered tons of virgins in heaven if they do so. Israel has gone to the bargaining table many times and to me it is clear that the Palestinians cant abide by their agreements, cant control thier terrorists, etc etc. They wont honor their agreements, and the attacks will never end.

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To say that because (probably most Palestinians) would like 2C Israel destroyed, thus Israel can't abandon the occupied territories, is mixing 2 unrelated things. Isreal could (except in Jerusalem as it was B4 the post-1967 expansion of it) withdraw to the pre-1967 borders, with the proclaimed intention to prevent foreign armies from entering the new Palestinian state if they tried. (And build the security fence along that border).
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Jolly Roger:

Have Hamas ever accepted Israel's right to exist?
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Jolly Roger:

Have Hamas ever accepted Israel's right to exist?


No, and they are not the only ones. Lots of Arab Nations would do away with Israel if they could. They want to fight fight fight. If peace were achieved, there would still be attacks against Jews. Its like that Gilligans Island episode (most are too young to have seen it) where a japanese soldier lands on the island and he still thinks WWII is going on. Some people will never call it quits.
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Do you really think that if we gave the Palestinians everything they wanted that the war would stop?
You mean actually give them back their homes in the pre-Israel Palestine. And let everyone who legally has the 'right of return' actually return? Adn then do a South Africa style 'Truth and Reconciliation' Commission, and have the people from BOTH sides who've abused and murdered civilians tell the truth in public?

Yes I think the war would stop. But Israel would no longer be a Jewish state. A LOT of Palestinians have the 'right of return'.

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Have Hamas ever accepted Israel's right to exist?
No, but that's irrelevant. Israel has (and will continue to have) the power to protect itself within the "1967 borders + corridor to Western Wall".
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maybe, nobody can be sure about that....see what happened in the first israeli war....
but why would they give up their territory without getting anything in return as long as the palestinians don't show any will towards peace?

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