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Non Americans have a valid opinion on the USA election!

I cannot believe the attitude that some american posters have on the election when it comes to non-americans having an opinion! A few posters think people from outside the USA should shut up and stop interfering as if its none of our business.

Well it is our business.

My prime Minister John Howard lead the Australian military into war on the basis of outright lies because he is George Bush's little lapdog - Bush says Jump, Howard asks "How high"?

The outcome of the persidental election will affect, directly, or indirectly every person on this planet. The USA is heading in the direction of acquiring new, better nuclear weapons after decades of promoting nuclear NON proliferation. Bush has decided pre-emptive strikes against OTHER NATIONS NOT EVEN THREATENING the USA is ok, Bush has decided that telling the rest of the world (except Israel!!) that acquiring nuclear weapons is not okay for them, but ok for the USA - he has basically started up a new arms race.

So to I love Sharapova, PCRtennis and whoever else thinks outsiders should stay out and shut up - think again. I care more about Bush being ousted than Howard winning or losing, cuz in the big grand scheme of things, howard doesnt matter internationally but Bush is the most dangerous world leader in power today and the outcome of the presidential election will affect me directly.

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Actually USA's election might impact more outside USA borders than inside USA... so why we shouldn't discuss about it?
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howard doesnt matter internationally but Bush is the most dangerous world leader in power today and the outcome of the presidential election will affect me directly.
Agree, it will affect you and me and everybody else in the world, just see how high are the oil prices @ the moment... this is just ONE consequence of Iraq invasion.

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I never said that non-Americans should not have an opinion. The thing that bothers me is when non-Americans think they know what is best for Americans, when they clearly don't.

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I never said that non-Americans should not have an opinion. The thing that bothers me is when non-Americans think they know what is best for Americans, when they clearly don't.
But clearly some Americans clearly don't either.
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I never said that non-Americans should not have an opinion. The thing that bothers me is when non-Americans think they know what is best for Americans, when they clearly don't.
I agree...Americans are the ones most imediatly affected by the person we chose to govern us. Everyone should have an opinion and should feel free to voice them...But I cant tell aussies what best for Australia...:shug:

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I never said that non-Americans should not have an opinion. The thing that bothers me is when non-Americans think they know what is best for Americans, when they clearly don't.
normal i wouldaggree some what

butwhen you have a none elected dicktator declaring war on independent countrys for the hell of it!!! the world has a right to be worried in fact its a miracle the world has not declared sanctions on the US.


1-dont give me this WMD crap, or this saddam is bad guy BS, because he was SANTA FUCKING CLAUSE compared with the leader of china and what he is doing to his people because the like to meditate. but of course since china lets american companies abuse its workers for pennies a day china is an ally not a human rights abuser!!!


EDIT: as for americans know what is best for themselves and their childern. when reports are released, as they were today that 42% believe saddam was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks, and the fact that 50% voted for bush, its kinda clear that half of them at least dont know whats best for themselves

unless of course they are down with war and unemployment?

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But clearly some Americans clearly don't either.
No shit, like the ones that vote for Bush/Cheney.
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The rest of the world has a right to voice it's opinion on who it wants in office in America because, indirectly and directly the USA influences the rest of the world. If you leave two war mongers in office (Bush/Cheney) the rest of the world's going to fear "who are they going to come after next?".

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The rest of the world has a right to voice it's opinion on who it wants in office in America because, indirectly and directly the USA influences the rest of the world. If you leave two war mongers in office (Bush/Cheney) the rest of the world's going to fear "who are they going to come after next?".
i hate to keep having to remind you 'Dani that the sanction policies of Clinton & Co. indirectly led to hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi children--in fact Clinton led all peers in having economic sanctions against countries...fear? and I'm sure the Serbs were in love with our former Prez as all of NATO....First, any war SHOULD BE authorized by Congress as delared in the Consititution so to put the blame all on Bush and let the Congress have a free pass in downright nonsensical! This mess has many more hands than than Bush & Cheney--much more

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America is so powerful. Whoever gets elected will have an effect on the rest of the world.
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I never said that non-Americans should not have an opinion. The thing that bothers me is when non-Americans think they know what is best for Americans, when they clearly don't.
I agree in principle, but considering how often America has decided "what's best" for other countries and imposed that decision by force...

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NOW HERE IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN!!!

It may very well be true that what happens here in the U.S affects everyone else. Have you ever and stopped to wonder why this is the case? While it is easy to simply say,"Well,America is the most powerful nation in the world,blah,blah,blah." The truth is that the issue runs very much deeper than that.
None of you other than Lakeway,myself and maybe two or three others have shown any interest or concern about the globalist movement in this world. While American politicians are certainly not excluded from this travesty of a movement, they by no means are as hept to the idea as the European politicians and population appears to be.
Some people may say, "How can globalism be such a bad thing?" Well,I can list a good twenty things that globalism will cause if and when it takes place,but I think that it will be sufficient just to list a couple here. Hopefully you all will get the point.

1. A global government and economy would cause much unrest. Where would people identity go.A great many people,I know I certainly do, identify with the sovereignty of his/her country. If the world turns into this gigantic pangaea of one large "world country," what pride is there in that?

2. All a globalist type existence would do is leave the doors wide open for a one world dictator. So you fear Bush,eh? I assure you, if people continue toward this mad dash to globalism the "days of Bush" will be looked upon with much nostalgia indeed. Does anyone doubt that Kerry is a globalist? I don't.
It is a fact that there is none other that the U.N would rather see as President of the U.S than Kerry. Why? Fairly simple. Kerry would allow his decisions to be based upon what the "world" demands,not what the AMERICAN people demand!!! This I am wholeheartedly against and is one of the many reasons that I will not be casting my ballot for Mr.Kerry in November.

Who is presiding over the U.S elections this year? Who is the monitor? Guess. Think really,really hard. The United Nations Are!!!! Do you think the average American likes this? If you do, I have some ice covered land I'd like to sell you in Florida. Most Americans resent the fact that foreign powers are getting more and more involved in American politics.
However,that is the world we live in today.People think that a globalist government,economy,healthcare system,et cetera will be a "cure-all" for the world. Most people do not have the foresight to acknowledge how much of an evil globalism really is.

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1. A global government and economy would cause much unrest. Where would people identity go.A great many people,I know I certainly do, identify with the sovereignty of his/her country. If the world turns into this gigantic pangea of one large "world country," what pride is there in that?
IC that your penchant for circular reasoning is as strong as ever. Lets accept that your words quoted here are correct. Does that make it right?

Ironically, the very same person (Joana) whose virtues I extolled in another thread can tell you firsthand about what happens when "national identity" becomes people's "be all and end all".
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u are a fool, not only are you a fool, are you a blind and rude fool.

first of all dont start with this "none of you" bullshit!! you didnt ask a single person on there thoughts on "globalism" before, like an ass, assume peoples take on it.

all most people said is that what happens in america affects other places and they did not, not for the most part, state whether they approve or dissapprove so who the fuck are you to assume shit in their stead?

and then 1- i have been in major opposition of this globalism since before a good number of the posters here were even born.
2-but lets get one thing straight, the UN has aboslutely no controll over the US, particularly US elections, to say so is just bullshit. posters with both a brain and a solid memory will recall that nearly ever nation in the UN was 100% opposed to this war in IRAQ, did the UN us this magic hibby jibby power to stop that rogue nation from undertaking an unjust war and killing thousands of iraqis and getting hundreds of its own bravest YOUNG, and usually POOR men killed? where was this magic power of the UN then?
3-you mentioned "sovereignty" in big bold letters, you mean like the kind that IRAQ once had before the US army invaded it for no reason?
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"2. All a globalist type existence would do is leave the doors wide open for a one world dictator. So you fear Bush,eh? I assure you, if people continue toward this mad dash to globalism the "days of Bush" will be looked upon with much nostalgia indeed. Does anyone doubt that Kerry is a globalist? I don't.
It is a fact that there is none other that the U.N would rather see as President of the U.S than Kerry. Why? Fairly simple. Kerry would allow his decisions to be based upon what the "world" demands,not what the AMERICAN people demand!!! This I am wholeheartedly against and is one of the many reasons that I will not be casting my ballot for Mr.Kerry in November.:"

wow talkabout complete lack of reason!!! and full of bullshit.

1- the american people, deserve SOME credit, they did NOT support the war in iraq for no reason, they were mislead by bush intobelieve there was some connection between saddam and bin laden, i've not seen anything the suggest they even met, but MEANWHILE THE BUSHES HAVE BEEN VERY CLOSE WITH THE BIN LADENS AND EVEN ESCORTED THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOLLOWING 9/11. and yes that is in the 9/11 commision report!!
2-AS for what kerry would allow its called DIPLOMACY!!!

5-the us is not some victim of globalisation, not even in the least instead the US has been oneof its most serious pushers! bush gives special tax discounts to companies that out source their jobs, THATS GLOBALIZATION. Globalization it the WENDYS or MCD in india, honduras and what have you.

6-its clear from your post that you lacknotonly foresight but hindersight as well because if you recall,as i am sure you dont, the outpouring of global love on and after 9/11, the willingness of the UN to provide theUS with anything it might need. andwhat happened? some big mouthsmall brain texan told them to fuckoff, letbin laden escape a number of times, and invaded the YES sovereign nation of iraq.



i am not saying that the UN has a right to control the US, or even that globalism is all good or all evil, because its nots, i am saying, WE ARE SMART POSTERS HERE, LIES AND DISTORTIONS THAT WORK ELSEWERE WILL NOT WORK HERE.

YOU MAY HAVE A POINT, address it without all this extra bullshit.


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NOW HERE IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN!!!

It may very well be true that what happens here in the U.S affects everyone else. Have you ever and stopped to wonder why this is the case? While it is easy to simply say,"Well,America is the most powerful nation in the world,blah,blah,blah." The truth is that the issue runs very much deeper than that.
None of you other than Lakeway,myself and maybe two or three others have shown any interest or concern about the globalist movement in this world. While American politicians are certainly not excluded from this travesty of a movement, they by no means are as hept to the idea as the European politicians and population appears to be.
Some people may say, "How can globalism be such a bad thing?" Well,I can list a good twenty things that globalism will cause if and when it takes place,but I think that it will be sufficient just to list a couple here. Hopefully you all will get the point.

1. A global government and economy would cause much unrest. Where would people identity go.A great many people,I know I certainly do, identify with the sovereignty of his/her country. If the world turns into this gigantic pangea of one large "world country," what pride is there in that?

2. All a globalist type existence would do is leave the doors wide open for a one world dictator. So you fear Bush,eh? I assure you, if people continue toward this mad dash to globalism the "days of Bush" will be looked upon with much nostalgia indeed. Does anyone doubt that Kerry is a globalist? I don't.
It is a fact that there is none other that the U.N would rather see as President of the U.S than Kerry. Why? Fairly simple. Kerry would allow his decisions to be based upon what the "world" demands,not what the AMERICAN people demand!!! This I am wholeheartedly against and is one of the many reasons that I will not be casting my ballot for Mr.Kerry in November.

Who is presiding over the U.S elections this year? Who is the monitor? Guess. Think really,really hard. The United Nations Are!!!! Do you think the average like this? If you do, I have some ice covered land I'd like to sell you in Florida. Most Americans resent the fact that foreign powers are getting more and more involved in American politics.
However,that is the world we live in today.People think that a globalist government,economy,healthcare system,et cetera will be a "cure-all" for the world. Most people do not have the foresight to acknowledge how much of an evil globalism really is.

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Democrats want U.N. to keep an eye on presidential election

By Todd J. Gillman Knight Ridder News Service

WASHINGTON -- A group of congressional Democrats led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas has asked the United Nations to monitor this year's presidential election. "We are deeply concerned that the right of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections is again in jeopardy," the lawmakers wrote to Secretary-General Kofi Annan. While the request might evoke images of blue-helmeted peacekeepers outside the local library, the request won't be granted. "Generally, the United Nations does not intervene in electoral affairs unless the request comes from a national government or an electoral authority -- not the legislative branch," said U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe. Because the U.N. Charter bars violations of sovereignty, the State Department, or perhaps the Federal Election Commission, would have to invite observers. Monitoring would have to be approved by the Security Council or the General Assembly. None of the five permanent Security Council members has ever been subjected to such monitoring, officials said. The biggest undertaking was in South Africa, population 43 million, a decade ago when apartheid fell. The rule of thumb is one observer for each 100 polling sites. Johnson aides call the request justified. Her letter points to "widespread allegations of voter disenfranchisement" in Florida and other states in 2000, and it cites an April report from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that found potential for "significant problems" this year

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