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View Poll Results: Who will be first?
Quebec 9 12.68%
Flanders 6 8.45%
Taiwan 19 26.76%
Chechnya 7 9.86%
Palestine 12 16.90%
Scotland 6 8.45%
Catalonia 4 5.63%
Basque Country 0 0%
Kosovo 5 7.04%
Alaska 3 4.23%
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post #1 of 68 (permalink) Old Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:21 PM Thread Starter
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Which country will declare first?

Well i think its interesting! Which of the following will be the first to declare their independence, if at all?

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Quebec has a good chance.. not for now.. but eventually when there'll be a new government in power :P

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If I had to pick I'd say Palestine. It might never happen though.

Coming from Scotland. I don't see it as a major problem, not being independent. It's not like we're at war with England. Although ruled from England, we have our own parliament and we make our own laws and things, so we do have some form of independence. Personally I like being part of Britain, even if we are ruled by the English. It's better for us economically to be British. We have a declining population. Only about 10% of Brits are Scottish.

It isn't like this in other countries such Palestine or Chechnya where not having independence is causing problems.

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*Karen* - don't let the flag fool you, I am a Scot really but I come from the other side of the fence on that argument!

I do think Palestine is inevitable, just don't know when.

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I remember you used to have a Scots flag. I wasn't sure if you were Scottish or not. I do agree that it would be nice to say we were totally independent. I just feel that if we lost England our economy would really suffer. Either way we know that we're our own country.
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hopefully palestine is a country soon

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I remember you used to have a Scots flag. I wasn't sure if you were Scottish or not. I do agree that it would be nice to say we were totally independent. I just feel that if we lost England our economy would really suffer. Either way we know that we're our own country.
I agree (about the separate country thing), and i wish more people knew it!

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Kurdistan deserves independence, too but the Turks, Syrians, Iranians and Iraqis will make sure they don't get it.

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The only way for people not to mix up Scotland and England is for Scotland to go independant. Ireland has a smaller population but has a much stronger identity than Scotland and a booming economy, so I do not think Scotland would suffer economically if they went down the independance route but I think alot of Scots are still afraid of what will happen economically if they go independant.
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Quebec 213.33%Flanders 213.33%Taiwan 320.00%Chechnya 213.33%Palestine 426.67%Scotland 16.67%Catalonia 00%Basque Country 00%Kosovo 00%Alaska

Quebec: very unlikely, it's more the politicians than the people, and that would be too costly because Quebec would have to assume its debt, could not have the canadian dollar as currency and would not enjoy a special status.

There are only two provinces that give more money than they receive in Canada: Ontario and Alberta, Quebec would lose a lot of resources if it separated.

Flanders: nah, they bitch a lot but I don't think there ever was serious talk about separation, except maybe at the beginning (when Belgium and the Netherlands gained indepence from Spain).

Taiwan: it's independent, only that not formally, not likely to declare it because China opposes it and the western countries don't want to upset China now.

Chechnya: not in a million years, the Russians will not allow it.

Palestine: likely there will be some sort of Palestinian state at some point in the future, not while Arafat is in charge though.

Scotland: no, they are ok like they are, there some bitching but that's all.

Catalonia: where is that?

Basque Country: no, the ETA has lost strenght.

Kosovo: possible, but it would probably join Albania.

Alaska: are you serious?
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Damn, I thought this was a cricket thread.

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Anyway, wouldn't it be better to have more countries forming larger federations or unions (while retaining "national" identity) with a hope of one day having a world government, rather than having more and more countries splintering off? What's so terrible about having countries that cut across more than one "nation"? Surely it is actually a good thing, if people have their rights respected, etc.

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Anyway, wouldn't it be better to have more countries forming larger federations or unions (while retaining "national" identity) with a hope of one day having a world government, rather than having more and more countries splintering off? What's so terrible about having countries that cut across more than one "nation"? Surely it is actually a good thing, if people have their rights respected, etc.
If only it was as simple as that, Europe is coming together but breaking apart! National identity is important to people and they can have that and respect other cultures also, people like to feel part of a shared culture it is easier than trying to understand another culture.
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If only it was as simple as that, Europe is coming together but breaking apart! National identity is important to people and they can have that and respect other cultures also, people like to feel part of a shared culture it is easier than trying to understand another culture.
Can you not share a distinct culture from those that live a few hundred miles from you, but still live under the same general laws, government, blah? I've been doing that my whole life, and save for a few whining separatists (I've always been of the opinion that they can have Baffin Island ), it's been a nonissue
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