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post #1 of 97 (permalink) Old Sep 29th, 2004, 01:32 AM Thread Starter
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Gay Rights Group: Probe Swaggart's Taxes

.c The Associated Press

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - A gay rights group is asking the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the tax-exempt status of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries following the preacher's recent remark that he would ``kill'' any gay man who looked at him.

The Capital City Alliance suggested that Swaggart's remarks disqualify his businesses from continuing to enjoy no-tax privileges.

``Swaggart Businesses/Ministries should not continue to enjoy the benefits of 'tax-free living' when his organizations use millions of tax-free dollars to travel around and degrade taxpaying Americans,'' said Joe Traigle, the group's co-chairman.

In a broadcast this month, Swaggart was discussing his opposition to gay marriage when he said ``I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry.''

``And I'm going to be blunt and plain: If one ever looks at me like that, I'm going to kill him and tell God he died,'' Swaggart says, to laughter and applause from the congregation. He later apologized, saying the remark was meant to be humorous.

The gay rights group dismissed Swaggart's apology Tuesday. ``We all know that there are people out there that take these things very, very seriously,'' said Randal Beach, a lawyer for the organization.

Swaggart was a popular television evangelist during the 1980s until a 1987 sex scandal involving a prostitute that he met in a seedy New Orleans motel. Swaggart never confessed to anything more than an unspecified sin. A few years later, he was stopped by police while driving in California with a suspected prostitute in his car.

He did not immediately respond to an e-mail message seeking comment Tuesday.



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How these people called themselves Christians is beyond me

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The same man that would regularly pick up whores on the streets. Sounds like he's doing a good job saving the world doesn't it?

HYPOCRITE!!!!

BTW, might I add no gay man would ever even bother to look at Swaggart! He's ugly as sin, hell he even has to pay whores for sex. And gay men always have great taste, so Swaggart is off their list, I'm quite certain.

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But It's ok to fuck a hooker when you're married, .... nice. Gotta love the Religious Right.
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He's such a self rightous dick.

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The scary part is, that stuff is still going on. For example if you live in the US or in some parts of the world look at the TBN network. They already proved that healer is a fake, and do you really need a ton of diamonds, expensive clothes, and a Benz to do God's work?
The last time I checked God loves the poor, and Wealth is a sin.

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Don't base your perception of Christianity by what you see on TV and in the media. I too get disgusted by "the show" that is put on by many of the tele-evangelists. True faith in Christ is based on love for others.

This is not to say that I agree with the homosexual lifestyle. In fact, I'm very opposed to it. But, the message must be to gently explain in love why it's wrong - not to bash and make fun.
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Don't base your perception of Christianity by what you see on TV and in the media. I too get disgusted by "the show" that is put on by many of the tele-evangelists. True faith in Christ is based on love for others.

This is not to say that I agree with the homosexual lifestyle. In fact, I'm very opposed to it. But, the message must be to gently explain in love why it's wrong - not to bash and make fun.
Why it's wrong for YOU.
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Why it's wrong for YOU.
No, I believe in moral absolutes. It's either right or wrong - not right for someone and wrong for someone else... That's just what I believe...
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No, I believe in moral absolutes. It's either right or wrong - not right for someone and wrong for someone else... That's just what I believe...
So, murder is always wrong?
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So, murder is always wrong?
Yes.

But two points on that.

(1). Murder, like all other sins, can be forgiven through honest, sincere repentence and accepting Christ as Savior.

(2). There is a difference between all killing and "murder". There are times in the Bible when God commissioned the children of Israel to go into foreign lands and wipe the people out. This was not murder - it was commissioned of God. If someone breaks into your house and you defend yourself against them, I'm not convinced that's murder. Anyway, God knows the intent of each heart.

Remember, King David was essentially guilty of murdering Bathsheba's husband, even though he didn't directly take his life. He set him up and had someone else do it. David was forgiven of that sin because of his repentence. But, even though he was forgiven, his sin caused many consequences for him throughout the rest of his life. He was not even allowed to build God's temple, because he had been such a man of war.

Even with forgiveness, there are still consequences to sin.
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Christians can keep their message to themselves, non-Christians ARE NOT INTERESTED TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR MESSAGE. Thanks.
I think that's a generalization. There are many non-Christians who are seaching and looking for meaning in life and are receptive to the message of Jesus. It sounds as if you are not at this point in your life, but please respect the fact that there are others who may be.
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If Christianity is less and less popular, it has to be because non-Christians are not interested to the Christian message.

Besides, every people know about the Christian message. We don't need people to annoy us with the Christian message. We all know what their stands are, what their messages are.
Sorry, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. I do believe that there are people who are interested in hearing the Christian message. Maybe the minority of non-Christians, I'll give you that - but still a significant number of people in the world who are interested in hearing.
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Nash you are by far the most ignorant and naive poster I've ever seen. Get with the times sweetie.
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Yes.

But two points on that.

(1). Murder, like all other sins, can be forgiven through honest, sincere repentence and accepting Christ as Savior.

(2). There is a difference between all killing and "murder". There are times in the Bible when God commissioned the children of Israel to go into foreign lands and wipe the people out. This was not murder - it was commissioned of God. If someone breaks into your house and you defend yourself against them, I'm not convinced that's murder. Anyway, God knows the intent of each heart.

Remember, King David was essentially guilty of murdering Bathsheba's husband, even though he didn't directly take his life. He set him up and had someone else do it. David was forgiven of that sin because of his repentence. But, even though he was forgiven, his sin caused many consequences for him throughout the rest of his life. He was not even allowed to build God's temple, because he had been such a man of war.

Even with forgiveness, there are still consequences to sin.
So what you're saying is this: if god commissions you to kill someone, it's ok - not just ok but good because i was god's will.

So if god commisisions people to sleep with someone of the same sex, that's ok, too - or rather good?

By this same logic, you can't argue that homosexuality is "wrong" in itself because anything is good if commissioned by God and everything not commissioned by god is wrong. The act itself is no longer important, just whether or not god commissions it. This is an amoral not a moral god because
the only basis of this morality is if he agrees with it or not.

ps: the bible does actually say "thou shalt not kill" - no mention there of any special circumstances.

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*Wealth without Work * Pleasure without Conscience

*Science without Humanity *Knowledge without Character

*Politics without Principle *Commerce without Morality

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