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I need some help. I'm really pissed at myself.

ok, well, i've been playing tennis since like forever and i have really good volleys though my serve is very suspect. anyway, recently i came to australia and they have LOADS of grass courts....and well, it really suits my game cuz i hit really good appraoch shots and the opponent usually hits the ball into my strike zone. anyway, there's this one girl from Italy and she's been playing on clay and her grass game sucks. she cant volley to save her life, seriously.

well, i've played her 7 times and i've lost to her all 7 times. i've never lost to a person more than 3 times before actually getting a win.

she's beaten me pretty comprehensively too.

GRASS
6-2 6-3
6-1 6-2
6-3 6-3
6-1 5-7 6-2
7-5 6-7 7-5

HARD
6-2 6-0
5-7 6-3 7-6 (7)

the thing is that she can handle an attacking game really well but against the other girls, she cant handle their defenze. but when i play a defensive game, she wins. (i.e the three setters)

today, i lost really awful match against her.(the HARDCOURT match)i was up 5-3 in the third and 6-2 in the TB. thats 4 match points. then i had another MP at 7-6 and she still beat me.

yes, i KNOW i choked cuz i really felt tight i mean, i hit two easy returns into the net, two DF's on my MP's and another awful mishit off the volley on her matchpoint. i smiled it off but its really been eating me up and i've been in a bitchy mood all day.

WHAT DO I DO?

i mean, how do i beat her?she has no real weaknesses cept her return off the backhand is weak (but i tend to hit more faults if i serve to her BH) and she plays defensively most of the time cuz i hit really hard, and she hits with so much spin that the ball actually moves away before i can actually hit it. i'm afraid of taking the ball early cuz i tried it a few times and it just never worked! she moves really well and rarely ever hits lobs, her slices are really good. and it always lands midcourt which i HATE cuz i tend to hit into the net.

HELP!

with a game plan as well as the whole choking things.

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Elena? I didn't think she lost to Silvia all 7 times!

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girl i'm serious!

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i keep thinking about those missed returns and the fucking DF's.

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This girl is basically wearing you out by being very consistent and sticking to a simple game plan, which includes a massive use of rotations - both top- and back-spin - that often presents you with balls you don't like to play (I understand they bounce low and in the middle of the court, where it's harder to go get them, especially on grass, I guess!)

Your key could be trying to be as consistent as she is, then using your larger power to go for a winner when you've set up the point, and going to the net as you are doing, but only once you've moved her around the court long enough... so she gets to the ball late and she can't give you a great passing shot. You say she doesn't ever hit a lob, so you know you're always going to have to volley.
I'd say practise your volleys even more, so that you can close a point on the first one, and you don't give her a second chance with another groundstroke. Try to mix it up a bit as she does, even if it means playing some tricky ball with LOADS of spin... be nasty! And do something unexpected, like using her same tactics.

I remember an Italian player, Laura Golarsa, say she had troubles when she played Martina Navratilova, coz Golarsa was usually trying to go to the net all the time, but Martina was way better than her at that, and she would dominate. One day laura tried to go against her nature, and she took to playing la Evert, with Martina... consistency, passing shots, and so on... and she took a set off her 6-2! So sometimes it can work, to totally change one's natural game plan

Hope these little ideas can help!!

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The foremost thing is mental attitude. If you think you are going to lose, you will. I think that is your big problem here.

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well, I have just come off playing 2 five set matches with my best mate, I won like 6-4 in both, but his game is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frustrating, he comes into the net with shitty slices on every point and is so fast when i hit a really good shit, he floats it back high, and makes me play a smash - which a CANNOT hit.

I think the key is keeping a level head, just grind it out, and be very consistant but use your extra power when needs be.

Try not to get mad at yourself, I do it all the time, i feel like im gonna explode

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post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old Sep 15th, 2004, 11:02 PM
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Drop Shot. Drop Shot. Drop Shot.

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also if the games get realy tight do a serve and volley people tend do get VERY nervosue when its like 5-5 in games or 30-30 in points so by serve and volleying they will get very nervouse and since u have a good volley u should smask it away like u woudl her face of coarse this tactic wont work every time but its worth a try
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I assume you are talking about artificial grass courts?? As public grass is as scarce as hens teeth in Australia now.

Bring her in to net.... hit straight at her with pace or dink to her feet and use the lob...jerk her around. If her net game is suspect there is no need to go for an outright pass.

Make sure you get her into positions on the court that she dislikes.

What sort of grip does she have on the forehand? A claycourt player will have trouble with the low skid off an artifical turf court...so attack her forehand with slice.

As BarrieDude said....think you can win and you will win.
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It sounds like your not setting up the points. I used to do that, but now I've learned a few things.

What you have to do is the following

1) Stick her to one corner deep. Get deeper, and deeper, with each stroke ( ) But seriously, Start with an angle and then move the ball slightly within a 6 foot range on either the forehand or backhand side (assuming you can do this)

Then hit one shot hard into that same corner, step into court, and guide the next shot as a short angle (you don't even do anything, let your wrists and your opponenents weak reply do everything) and then rush the net.

Watch Lindsay do this EVERYTIME she plays V's backhand. It's the only thing that'll work on that side.

2) Vary depth. Don't just hit deep, deep, deep. Hit some short balls at an angle. Get her out of her comfort zone.

3) Construct points. Not necessarily as in depth as the one mentioned, but plan out the point before executing

4) Believe in yourself!

Also try just hitting up the middle everytime. Defensive players hate that because there's nothing for them to defend
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It sounds like your not setting up the points. I used to do that, but now I've learned a few things.

What you have to do is the following

1) Stick her to one corner deep. Get deeper, and deeper, with each stroke ( ) But seriously, Start with an angle and then move the ball slightly within a 6 foot range on either the forehand or backhand side (assuming you can do this)

Then hit one shot hard into that same corner, step into court, and guide the next shot as a short angle (you don't even do anything, let your wrists and your opponenents weak reply do everything) and then rush the net.

Watch Lindsay do this EVERYTIME she plays V's backhand. It's the only thing that'll work on that side.

2) Vary depth. Don't just hit deep, deep, deep. Hit some short balls at an angle. Get her out of her comfort zone.

3) Construct points. Not necessarily as in depth as the one mentioned, but plan out the point before executing

4) Believe in yourself!

Also try just hitting up the middle everytime. Defensive players hate that because there's nothing for them to defend
i finally beat her today!

well, not in a real match cuz we only decided to play ONE set, but i won that set, so basically i won the match. i dont care! 6-3 baby!(well, i did have a 3-0 lead )

and SMM, you're right, i realized that she hates it when i hit it to the middle. i kept hitting it to the middle with average pace and she made so many errors. then she became a fucking aggressive bitch and began hitting so hard pocket to pocket and had my pretty feet running from corner to corner. i just started lobbing (i missed many) and she tended to miss the smashes as well.

but like i figured the more aggressive i became the more happier she was but i figured out one thing. instead of volleying to corner angles, she finds it hard to return a volley thats hit directly to her.

to beat her = hit everything to the middle.

thanks guys. we're playing again tomorrow, so wish me luck!hope i can win BOTH sets.

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wd & good luck with the next match!
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i lost again. thats 8 times.

7-5 7-5...

i led 5-2 in the 2nd and 5-3 in the first.

but u guys are right. it is all mental indeed. GRRRRRRRR!i've been feeling so blue i didn't even feel like going clubbing today. and thats rare.i cant seem to close her out. what do i do to get over this fucking block? i mean, i kept making the stupidest errors at game points and break points. a DF on SP, an easy ass volley into the net on BP, a routine slice missed on another BP, a BH miss on another BP and she was waaaaayyy off court as she had fallen down. i just had to dink the ball in. i'm so mad!ARGHHHH!

i hate that tightness....

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i lost again. thats 8 times.

7-5 7-5...

i led 5-2 in the 2nd and 5-3 in the first.

but u guys are right. it is all mental indeed. GRRRRRRRR!i've been feeling so blue i didn't even feel like going clubbing today. and thats rare.i cant seem to close her out. what do i do to get over this fucking block? i mean, i kept making the stupidest errors at game points and break points. a DF on SP, an easy ass volley into the net on BP, a routine slice missed on another BP, a BH miss on another BP and she was waaaaayyy off court as she had fallen down. i just had to dink the ball in. i'm so mad!ARGHHHH!

i hate that tightness....
It sounds like your strokes are sound, and you're using a nice variety of placement, spin, and power, but it also sounds to me like you're not moving your feet. If you're tight, the first thing that happens is your movement freezes up, and if you're not in position (even if you think you are), you will miss sometimes 50% of your shots. Start to think completely about your footwork and preparation and anticipation for each ball, and focus all of that energy completely on the ball, and only the ball (thank you BJK), and see how long you can keep this level of intense concentration up. If you find you have lost the score because of this single-minded concentration, you've done it, and you're on your way to cleaning her clock. She'll remind you what the score is. Mind the pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves.

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