Originally Posted by rand
oh volcana, on this one I think europe won't make too many difficulties, they just say no now to make a stand, but everyone knows Iran IS much more dangerou than Iraq was....
I'm on the Bush administration on this one (damn it feels strange to write this
'Everybody' knew Saddam Hussein had WMD. Only it turned out he didn't.
'Everybody' believed Colin Powell' when he came to the UN with incontrovertable proof of the threat Saddam Hussein posed. Only it turned out that what he said was untrue. And if he wasn't lying, he's a fool.
Look, all Bush had to say was, we soald Saddam Hussein 100 metric tons of VX gas, and he's only accounted for 20% of it. We sold Saddam Hussein 200 metric tons of nerve gas, and he's onl accounted for 30% of it. WE SOLD Saddam Hussein his WMD. We know he HAD it inthe early 90's. No ne disputes that. The isn't is whether the invasion was necessary then, or would 4-6 more weeks for UN weapons inspectors would have beenthe better course. Well, ten of thousands of dead later, it's quite clear that letting the weapons inspectors work would have beenthe better course. We'd still be the LEADER of the free world, not a rogue player that most of the powerful nations in the world want to steer clear of.
Sure Poland and Bulgaria and the Marshall Islands will back us if we invade Iran. The only way the Iranians can resist us is to get China in it on thier side. But given the amount of oil China is absorbing these days, an 'oil-for-weapons' program with Mid-East states is not at all unlikely. And China HAS both nukes, and delivery systems than can reach the US mainland.
And don't you think the Saudis notice how often American call for the overthrow of their state? Despite the overwhelming likelihood of a theocracy following the House of Saud? There was talk pre-invading Iraq of 'securing' the Saudi oil fields. Given the fact that we can't 'secure' the oil fileds in Iraq, how smart does THAT plan look.
To Americans, it seems insane that so many peple consider Bush a bigger threat than Osama bin Laden. But Bush has killed a lot more people. So far for reasons that turned out to be lies.
I think 'Everybody' is a damn sight more skeptical about us than they were two years ago. Think about how much world support we've lost. North Korea
condemned the 9/11 attack, and offerred help. Libya
condemned the 9/11 attack, and offerred help. So did Iran, and Yemen, and China. Virtuaslly every country but Iraq, actually. We invaded Afghanistan with literally the world marching at our back.
'Everybody' supported us totally. And we spit in their face AND lied to them. We gave up a LOT to invade Iraq. We HAD to find WMD there, because we acted against the (apparent) collective will of the peoples of the world. We acted in a away that was calculated to show 'Everybody' that our military might was so great, we could ignore 'Everybody's' express desires, and do whatever we pleased, no matter what the result.
No, I don't think 'Everybody' is going to be offerring us support anytime soon. In fact, if the UN acts militarily, I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to do it WITHOUT and US forces, just to avoid dealing with Bush/Rumsfeld axis.