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Is there anyone here believe that Gosford Park will pull off a big upset in Oscar?

From the start when nominations has just announced, I already said that Gosford Park is in a great chance to win because of teh type of film it is and the fact that it is direct by Robert Altman, a very respectful director. Now Gosford Park won the SAG award, do you think Gosford Park can win? I mean Gosford Park definitely pass In the Bedrrom and Moulin Rouge already, but can it go further, anyone who watched the film and like it? I quite like it in weird way.
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Yes!

If "A Beautiful Mind" and "Lord of the Rings" split the vote, I think "Gosford Park" could sneak in. The SAG Award was a big boost (remember, again, the Academy is mostly actors) and it has definitely surpassed "Moulin Rouge" for the dark horse slot.

Even if it doesn't win Best Picture, Robert Altman could definitely win Best Director; he has been a stalwart for so long but never won. Ron Howard never was an Academy favorite to begin with.

But I still think "A Beautiful Mind" and Howard will win, and it will not be undeserved.

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It is nice to see somebody agree, but I have to say that Robert Altman is probably one of the favourite to win the best director coz Gosford Park is so complex and involves so many people (guest to peasants) and he manage to piece them together so well it is amazing.

But I seriously doubt it will win Best Picture though, but I think this year race is so close and that most of awards has been split to so many films that we never knows until the end, this is getting even more close and exciting than last year when Traffic, Gladiator and Coruching tiger was dead lock in their race
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I really hope it does, it's by far the best of the nominated films I've seen (all but In The Bedroom). I'd predict that Altman's going to get Best Director anyway for lifetime achievement reasons (oh, these Oscars are so credible ).

Question, though. Why, why, why is A Beautiful Mind a favourite, let alone nominated? I'm aware that there's a history of rewarding shite (Titanic, Braveheart, Gladiator) but it's REALLY bad. And Russell Crowe simply cannot act.
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Oh please, it's a fine film (for a Hollywood major, brilliant) and Russ can act. I mean, sometimes he acts sane in public. He should get an Oscar for that!

Yes, if any year is Altman's year, this is it. It was a very complicated piece to direct. I certainly hope he wins.

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Finally someone agree with me that Russell Crowe is crap at acting LOL, I think he is a bit overrated, and that role in Gladiator shouldn't have got him an oscar at all.
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In Gladiator, he wasn't actually required to do anything except stand there and look rugged, and occasionally bellow something. And the thing with A Beautiful Mind is, if you're going to do a biopic of someone, it's not the best idea to cut out the interesting bits of their lives and fabricate yet more romantic drivel to replace it. Neither is it the best idea to cast someone who makes Keanu Reeves look like Ian McKellen in the lead role.
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Oh well you said everything I wnt to say sartrista, but I would give a little more credit to Crowe, he is a good actor but certainly not one who deserve to had two oscar on his mantlepiece. I hope Denzel Washington can win this, and if Halle Berry pull another upset over Sissy, oh that would be a perfect oscar for me.
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Again...Hollywood major studio + "Happy Days"' Richie Cunningham = no homosexual dalliances in THIS movie.

You can't...you can't judge a film on what it SHOULD be, you can only judge it on what's on the screen. It's a fine piece of craftsmanship, and, for Hollywood, thoughtful enough.

"In the Bedroom" was far more daring, and I liked it better, but credit where credit is due.

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I should say though that last year's "Gladiator" wet dream was the Academy's lowest ebb since the back-to-back blows of "Forrest Gump" (POW) and "Braveheart" (BAM) in '94-'95.

Crowe should have won for "The Insider" (don't tell me he shouldn't have; I'll argue with you for the rest of my life and you wouldn't want that ) and that was a compensatory Oscar. Now they find themselves in the position where they want to give him one for real, they REALLY REALLY DO, but do they want Russ Crowe to be in the exalted two-in-a-row category?

With one of those being for "GLADIATOR"????

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I haven't seen The Insider, so can't comment on that (though here's big scepticism that Crowe will ever turn in a performance worthy of any sort of non-Raspberry award). A Beautiful Mind wasn't even very good based on what it was: a wholly predictable, slushily sentimental man-saved-by-the-love-of-a-good-woman film. Iris was much better in its depiction of a genius' mental disorder (and even then it tended to reduce Iris Murdoch's life to 'sex, then Alzheimer's').

But the thing is, if a film is a biopic, you can't separate it from its subject. There *is* a higher benchmark, and that's the subject's own life, and you have to show reasonably fidelity to it. Imagine if A Beautiful Mind had cut out the schizophrenia element - it quite simply wouldn't have done justice to John Forbes Nash.
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No no no no no no NO.

"A movie should not be judged upon what it's about, but how it's about it."

As you can see, I vehemently disagree with you here.

Granted, if a film is selling itself on being the life story of John Nash or some other bozo, it should be fairly accurate.

But...it's Just A Movie.

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For someone that studies film like crazy, I don't really take them seriously. I mean, you put him in there fiddling with students while he's going all schizo...that's not going to make $100 million, NOR will it win an Oscar. So...why bother? That's what they want: money and little statues.

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Well I haven't watched the Besutiful Mind yet which I cannot judge.

But I agree that a movie shouldn't be judged of what is missing from the film, but at the same time if you are promoting a movie as a true story a la 'The Besutiful Mind', the elements missing has to be given a consideration. If they are selling a movie purely from a love story point of view for example 'Titanic' then I have comment .
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Come on, they're making a two-hour movie. They have to cut out bits. You don't see him on the crapper, you don't see him sleeping, you don't see him getting it on with altar boys.

They wanted to deal with the schizophrenia. If it had been an indie, they probably would have dealt with the homosexuality even more than the schizophrenia, and then we'd hear a whole different group complaining about that.

I wouldn't want Jenn Connelly out of that movie, but is she Latina? No...but Alicia Nash sure was.

Just a movie!

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