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Seems natural though. Serbia and Russia has such strong ties. I will never forget how in Anna Karenina, Count Vronsky went off to Serbia to fight in the war at the end of the novel.
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Can you russify this country even more?
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Prica se prica da Rusi dolaze ... one old Serbian song, probably from the 80s saying "people are saying that Russians are coming"
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Can you russify this country even more?
Considering that only like 2% of the population can speak Russian or that no visits Russia ever or that Russian culture has absolutely zero impact on Serbia or that most Serbian people would struggle to name even five Russian cities apart from Moscow and St.Petersburg, or a lot of other things, then yes, I'd say it could be russified a lot more. Which fortunately won't happen because Russia essentially just doesn't care about Serbia.
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Seems natural though. Serbia and Russia has such strong ties. I will never forget how in Anna Karenina, Count Vronsky went off to Serbia to fight in the war at the end of the novel.
You wanna know what happened at the end of that war? Russia completely ignored Serbian interests and pushed for the creation of Greater Bulgaria which would include considerable Serbian-populated territories. Which meant that Serbia had to turn to Austria-Hungary for support and basically become its colony and breaking free from its tutorship required going through a World War.

Serbian-Russian relations through history have been much more complex than usually portrayed.
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You wanna know what happened at the end of that war? Russia completely ignored Serbian interests and pushed for the creation of Greater Bulgaria which would include considerable Serbian-populated territories. Which meant that Serbia had to turn to Austria-Hungary for support and basically become its colony and breaking free from its tutorship required going through a World War.

Serbian-Russian relations through history have been much more complex than usually portrayed.
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There are some Serbian russophiles, but I think they're not really russified.
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The way Serbians on this site are kissing Russian's ass all the time... I don't think it can be russified more than this

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The way Serbians on this site are kissing Russian's ass all the time... I don't think it can be russified more than this

Better than kissing ass of the nations that bombed the hell out of you in 1999
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Considering that only like 2% of the population can speak Russian or that no visits Russia ever or that Russian culture has absolutely zero impact on Serbia or that most Serbian people would struggle to name even five Russian cities apart from Moscow and St.Petersburg, or a lot of other things, then yes, I'd say it could be russified a lot more. Which fortunately won't happen because Russia essentially just doesn't care about Serbia.
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Given that half of my family is Serbian and I have many Serbian friends, I wouldn't say Russia is loved over there. But it's typical that people support Russia over Western countries in sport and support Russia's case against USA. Which can be totally understood, if you think of who bombed Serbia or pushed for Kosovo. Presenting this mindset as some evil thing - is like asking for a kiss after a rape, be real.

But on the streets, you don't see Russian people, Russian investments (Gazprom is Crvena Zvezda's sponsor, but gives almost no money, compare this to Abramovich and Chelsea... does it mean England is russified?).

You see a lot of Chinese investments and Chinese people on the streets (even in smaller towns) though. Since Yugoslavia time, China is much more their ally than Russia.

My impression is they're very reserved in believing that any country is really an ally to them. And some people are even behaving like the whole world only wants to hurt them.
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The point is many people who lived in Yugoslavia and are strong believers in communism still see Russia as Mother Russia, and they completely neglect all of the history where Stalin himself tried to kill Tito about 30 times (or so I have read). The younger generation, not so much, unless they were blinded by the teachings of their grandparents
I personally know the history and backstory of our ties with Russia for the last few centuries so I am not a fan really. I am not a fan of any country in that sense tbh, but Serbs are generally so fucking weird When you have such people in your nation you really don't need enemies

As for this article, I guess they don't want to piss off Putin, since Serbia has a lot of Russian loans at the moment, even more than from China, and they are using them "to rebuilt the railroads and build roads", the pillar of our economic growth!
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But on the streets, you don't see Russian people, Russian investments (Gazprom is Crvena Zvezda's sponsor, but gives almost no money, compare this to Abramovich and Chelsea... does it mean England is russified?).
Just like there are no Russian products in stores, no Russian music on the radio, no Russian shows on TV. To the vast majority of Serbs, Russian popular culture is as distant and foreign as, say, Indonesian.
People don't eat Russian food or travel to Russia on vacation. Russian is taught at less than 10% of the schools.
This huge love for all things Russian is mainly reflected in people cheering for Russian athletes. But even that is very superficial. There are lots of fans of Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus and so on. No one is a die-hard supporter of Spartak, CSKA or Zenit.

Basically, it all boils down to resentment towards the West over the break-up of Yugoslavia (and more specifically the Kosovo issue) and idolization of Putin as some sort of superhero figure who'd solve all our country's problems if only he existed here. It's all really very skin-deep.
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