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Why the Man Shot While protesting Milo Yiannopoulos Doesn't Want Revenge

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“I was the first protester shot under the Trump administration,” said Josh Dukes, a 34-year old computer security engineer, on a recent afternoon in a Seattle coffee shop. “Hopefully I’m the last.”

Tall and lanky, with a nose ring, black leather jacket, tattoos, and combat boots that offer a clue to his political philosophy – anarchism – Dukes, who also goes by the handle “Hex”, is conscious of his role as the embodiment of the violent political polarization that has marked the onset of the Trump era.

On the night of Trump’s inauguration, Dukes travelled to Red Square, a plaza on the University of Washington’s Seattle campus, to protest against a speech by the rightwing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos. Unlike some of his fellow anti-fascists, Dukes made no effort to disguise himself. While protesters in black face masks squared off against Trump supporters in red “Make America Great Again” hats, Dukes says that he attempted only to “peacefully de-escalate” conflict.

Then, he was shot.

The bullet ripped through his abdomen and exited his back. Anarchist street medics raced to apply pressure to the wound. An ambulance arrived and rushed him to the hospital.

Two months later, Dukes still bears an oozing wound and a long, angry surgical scar. He has lost his gall bladder and half his colon. His liver was severely damaged; his diaphragm pierced. He spent the first month of the Trump presidency in the hospital, undergoing numerous surgeries, fighting off an infection, and high on pain medication that, he said, made the political upheaval of policies like the travel ban “a lot easier to deal with”.

But while Dukes’ ravaged body bears the scars of the country’s current political fissure – “Me getting shot is a manifestation of Trump’s and Milo’s violent ideology,” he says – he hopes to offer a path to stopping the violence and de-escalating the conflict. He and his partner Sasha, who uses gender neutral pronouns and asked not to be identified with a last name out of fear of harassment, are requesting that the shooter not be sent to prison, but instead join them in a restorative justice process.

The key problem both Dukes and Sasha identify is dehumanization: a tendency to forget that people on the other side of the political spectrum are people too.

The anti-Milo protest was not Dukes’ first brush with the far right wing. Growing up in rural northern California and Oregon, he saw the ravages of meth addiction and racism on small-town communities. When an acquaintance asked him if he was “down with AB”, then explained that the acronym stood for “Aryan Brotherhood”, Dukes decided to get a crossed-out swastika tattooed on his arm, permanently identifying himself as an anti-fascist.

“I’m not going to be mistaken for that,” he said.

n conversation, Dukes combines his leftist political philosophy with the hyper-logical reasoning that allows him to excel as a computer security expert. He references games theory as proof of the superiority of anarchism, and cites Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek in questioning whether a reporter can ever truly get to know him. When he was shot, he went through a mental version of threat modeling, analyzing his physical condition based on the available data: “I’m not dead right now so I haven’t been shot in the heart,” he recalls thinking.

The Red Square shooting brought together the lives of two radically different couples: leftwing activists Dukes and Sasha, and Mark and Elizabeth Hokoana, who have been identified by the media as the couple who turned themselves in to police after the shooting. Mark Hokoana wrote Facebook messages to Yiannopoulos and referenced his pro-Trump “#MAGA hat” on the day of the shooting. He was assumed to be the shooter until last week, when an attorney for his wife, Elizabeth Hokoana, told the Seattle Times that she had been the shooter, claiming that she acted in defense of her husband.

The self-defense claim has gained some steam in the media. A local TV station reported that emergency medical responders had found brass knuckles in Dukes’ pocket, based on a readout of the EMS radio dispatch. (Dukes finds this allegation both amusing and infuriating. Within a few minutes of meeting a reporter, he eagerly drew the “brass knuckles” out of his pocket, revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists.)

“They’re a married couple. I assume they love each other,” Sasha said of the Hokoanas. “I assume they know what it feels like when someone you love is threatened. There’s got to be some humanity somewhere.”


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“Right now, we’re continually escalating violence,” Dukes said of the divide between the right and the left. “Maybe if we can have a larger conversation, maybe we can turn this thing around. We have to start seeing each other as people, and talk about how other people are people.”

“I refuse not to recognize these people as people, because I refuse to be like them.”

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We have to start seeing each other as people, and talk about how other people are people.”

“I refuse not to recognize these people as people, because I refuse to be like them.”


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Why can't we all just get along?

How many years since King and the US is no further along?
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Why can't we all just get along?

How many years since King and the US is no further along?
I agree with you sentiment but think it important to note that the US is further along. Much further. But yeah there's still a ways to go.

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anarchism and peacefully de-escalate conflict. Yeah right.
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anarchism and peacefully de-escalate conflict. Yeah right.
Surely you're not that daft. The two are far from mutually exclusive. If you really don't know that then it's time to read about what anarchism means.

And FYI, there is no social philosophy that hasn't been latched onto by those who favor or condone violence.
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Couple charged in shooting of protester at Milo Yiannopoulos event in Seattle



Prosecutors on Monday charged a couple in connection with a Seattle shooting during a demonstration over an appearance by the rightwing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos in January.

Elizabeth Hokoana, 29, was charged with first-degree assault for shooting a 34-year-old protester in the abdomen. Her husband, Marc Hokoana, was charged with third-degree assault. Lawyers for the two said they acted in self-defense.

Joshua Dukes, 34, was critically injured in the 20 January shooting and had several surgeries before he was released from a hospital.

The shooting happened outside a University of Washington auditorium where Yiannopoulos, a far-right commentator known for leading a hate campaign that resulted in a lifetime ban from Twitter, was appearing.

In charging papers, King County prosecutors say “this shooting was not an impulsive act done in a moment of fear”.

Instead, the two went to the campus event “with the intent to provoke altercations with protesters who they knew would also be at this controversial event”, wrote Mary Barbosa, senior deputy prosecuting attorney.

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