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Woo-Hoo! I'm Getting Into Ivy-League! (Granted For the Wrong Reason, Its Wrong!)

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Based on acceptance rates alone, African American students have the best chance of getting into Dartmouth, with legacies right behind them. African Americans were accepted into the Class of 2008 at a rate of 44.6 percent, while legacies had a 35.4 percent acceptance rate. Native Americans and Latinos enjoyed acceptance rates of 34.6 and 29 percent, respectively.

With so much of the applicant pool enjoying these benefits, it leaves others receiving below-average acceptance rates. White Americans, who make up over 60 percent of applicants, had an acceptance rate of 16.2 percent. International students had the hardest time getting into Dartmouth, accepted at a rate of only 10.2 percent.
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This girl from my school with a 1140 got into Brown. Not to be mean, but by no stretch of the imagination is she an astounding talent at anything. No substantial hooks at all. However, she is of Cuban descent, and has a sister currently attending there. After reading some of the Brown rejections on this board, I have lost complete faith in the idea that college admissions are based on merit.
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According to Michele Hernández, a former assistant director of admissions at Dartmouth and author of the 1997 book, A is for Admission: The Insider’s Guide to Getting into the Ivy League and Other Top Colleges, applications from minority students are literally flagged early on. “At Dartmouth,” she writes, “minority-student status is designated by blue tags for black students, red tags for Hispanic students, and black tags for Native American students.” Admissions officers apply different criteria to these applicants. Hernandez says that officers are willing to trade off test scores for class rank, or vice versa—and will generally “give less weight to test scores and class rank than would be accorded to nonminority applicants”—when weighing a decision about a non-Asian minority candidate. “For white students without tags, modest test scores are not offset by superior class rank.” According to 1992 data, the average SAT score of black students at Dartmouth is 218 points below that of whites
In Short, since I'm an African-American Male with a 1270 (before taking a prep course, which garuntees a 130 pts increase avg.), 3.9, all AP/IB, Crew/Tennis/Rugby/Church Member, who is dirt poor, who is applying early....I'm goin to Dartmouth!

Granted, this really wrong. REALLY wrong. I'm completely against Affirmative-Action. Everyone should have an equal chance. Black kids aren't inherantly smarter or stupider (Even though a recent study showed that 8th grade white kids are on average smarter than 12th grade black kids), they just as a whole don't choose to do the work. Granted some are in bad situations, but I was in a bad situation, and still did better than 87% of the kids in my school. I'm not that special. Yall niglets need to get off yer ass and do your damn homework.

But seriously. I think this is wrong. Granted, I'll benefit from it. Huge. I was st ressing about getting into Brown, Penn, Dartmouth, or Cornell, but if I play may cards right, its pick and choose.
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Sure these people can get in...but can they do the work that is expected from the professors of these schools?

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Sure these people can get in...but can they do the work that is expected from the professors of these schools?
well I think people do in college as they do in high school.
If they got 'help' there, they'll get 'help' in college
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I'm asian and got wait listed at Yale with a 1470 SAT and all those extra curricular activities, class rank, gpa etc ...

I got into Stanford though so I packed my bags and headed west. Better weather and just as good if not better.

College admissions should be based on merit only imo.
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I'm asian and got wait listed at Yale with a 1470 SAT and all those extra curricular activities, class rank, gpa etc ...

I got into Stanford though so I packed my bags and headed west. Better weather and just as good if not better.

College admissions should be based on merit only imo.
well for asians its different. Actually they're a majority in some schools in CA. They have a higher education % than whites in most areas.

There seems to be more work ethic in that group.

but still Affirmative Action really is wrong. But at the same time it would be messed up if these schools were too homogenous
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More reason for me to laugh when blacks say "we have no chances!"... then, I see a story like this... and half the blacks in my school are getting payed to go there.

Anyway, congrats. Don't worry about how you got into whatever school you're going to... just take advantage of the opportunity.
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Well just do well because if you don't the others will start to think to themselves "How'd he get in here? Must be affirmative action."
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US Universities are way overrated..

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More reason for me to laugh when blacks say "we have no chances!"... then, I see a story like this... and half the blacks in my school are getting payed to go there.

Anyway, congrats. Don't worry about how you got into whatever school you're going to... just take advantage of the opportunity.
well I probably would have gotten into a good school black or no black
But i'll take it

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Well just do well because if you don't the others will start to think to themselves "How'd he get in here? Must be affirmative action."
thats what everyone is going to say. But to hell with them.
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US Universities are way overrated..
other than Oxford/Camridge and the Sorbonne, they're the best in the world
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Why don't you apply to my school? International Correspondence School.

We offer a variety of programs and you can even get your associates degree in business or acounting!

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Why don't you apply to my school? International Correspondence School.

We offer a variety of programs and you can even get your associates degree in business or acounting!
I used to hate your commercials, Sally.

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I used to hate your commercials, Sally.
so do you like them more now?

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make yours shine brighter.
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other than Oxford/Camridge and the Sorbonne, they're the best in the world
I see professionals from those US universities around me. With rare exception they are level below Russian and Ukrainian guys with whom I am working with.

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other than Oxford/Camridge and the Sorbonne, they're the best in the world
The Sorbonne is not the best French Uni, all the best French students aim to get accepted in one of the écoles nationales.

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