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What exactly were the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan?

I will admit, first and foremost, that I am NOT, in any way, an admirer of Reagan. I consider him the last president to be an overt a supoorter of white privilege, and white bias in the United States. That, of course, makes me less than the ideal chronicler of his accomplisments. So I ask those who admired him to list his accomplishments in this thread, that I may consider them. Except in cases where things are factually in correct, I'm not going to argue about it, though I may ask questions. People have their reasons for admiring Reagan, and I'm more interested in hearing those reasons than arguing about it.

However, there are two issues for which Reagan is often credited, which I will not consider valid. The end of the Cold War, and tax cuts. On these two issues, my reasoning is as follows.

1) The End of the Cold War

The cold war was not ended by Reagan's military buildup bankrupting the Soviet Union. As Mikhail Gorbachev himself points out, the Soviet Union was perfectly capable, financially, of continuing the arms race. For that matter, having more than enoughs nukes to de-populate the planet, they didn't even have to continue the arms race. Follow the link for more details on that. Gorbachev: 'We All Lost Cold War' (WashingtonPost, June 11)

The end of the Soviet Union and the collapse of communism was first and foremeost the result of internal events in the communist countries, in which westerners played a marginal role. Russians, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, and othe 'East Bloc' residents deserve most of the credit for the ending communism, and with it the Cold War.

If one man deserves credit for ending the Cold War, and I do not believe one man does, that man would be Mikhail Gorbachev, who for two years said repeatedly that he wanted peace with the United States, and an end to nuclear weapons, and Ronald Reagan would not listen. (in fairness, few US policymakers initially took Gorbachev at his word.)

2) The second issue for which I do not credit Ronald Reagan is tax cuts. Why? Because, while he cut taxes in 1981. He raised taxes in 1982 and again in 1983. Both of these tax increases, were, at the time, the largest in history. In fact, Reagan raised taxes every single year he was in office except 1981.

The best source for detail on this is the memoir of Reagan's first budget director David Stockman, "The Triumph of Politics" subtitled "Why the Reagan Revolution Failed". It available at Amazon

Those two things aside, I'm prepared to sit and listen to Ronald Reagan's accomplishments. I would encourage others who did not support Reagan to allow his supporters to have their say. There have to be reasons he was admired by so many.

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Got away scott free in the Iran-Contra Affair.
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Got away scott free in the Iran-Contra Affair.
Can we please give Reagan's supporters a little time before going negative in the thread?

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i think people admired him cos he was real . its a rare thing in politics

regarding tax cuts: i dont think its taz cuts in general that he is known for . but his use of supply-side economics, which often isnt the best political statement to make . yet he did it cos he believed passionately that if businesses prosper, it will trickle down

better than bush's tax cuts . candy to the kids of america . its shuts them up if they have a few extra bucks in their pockets . but it certainly doesnt help the economy


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Actually, I do give Regan credit for ending the cold war. It took some courage to actually reach out to Gorbechev and end this thing at a time when I am quite sure that conventional wisdom would have prevented that. Also, he restored an awful lot of confidence in the United States at a time when thatwaas in jeapordy as well as abroad. Take a look at what Bush/Clinton/Bush have dne to damage the credibility of the USA at home and abroad and, teat, amazingly there is credibilty left in a large part because of Regan. A great many of you have no concept of what life was like prior to Regan. There was the entire Vietnam disastor, the civil rights fiasco of the 60's ( a very painful time when we lost people like JFK, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King), the Nixon/Watergate thing, hyper-inflation and the fact that our military was a laughing stock. Not to mention the on going cold war saga. Then along comes a man like Regan to restore our confidence in ourselves. That is, perhaps, his greatest accomplishment!

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Can we please give Reagan's supporters a little time before going negative in the thread?
There were more negatives than positives while he was in office IMO...so it works out about right to go into negatives already...
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Can we please give Reagan's supporters a little time before going negative in the thread?
why is it negative to state the facts?

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There were more negatives than positives while he was in office IMO...so it works out about right to go into negatives already...
Are you really that stupid?

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Actually, I do give Regan credit for ending the cold war. It took some courage to actually reach out to Gorbechev and end this thing at a time when I am quite sure that conventional wisdom would have prevented that.
Gorbachev was reaching toward Reagan for almost three years before Reagan took his hand. By that time, conventional wisdom was very much in favor.

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Take a look at what Bush/Clinton/Bush have done to damage the credibility of the USA at home and abroad
I think you do both Bush I and Clinton a great disservice here. Clinton clearly ENHANCED the credibility of the USA at home and abroad. He balanced the Federal budget, a feat theretofor deemed impossible, and improved US relations in Asia, Africa and Europe. Bush I was saddled with the Reagan defeicits, and a Democratic Congress, which limited what he could do.

Reagan's affect on the credibilty of the USa abroad I will leave for a couple days, til more people have posted. That's a topic on which there is a vast historical record.

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the civil rights fiasco of the 60's ( a very painful time when we lost people like JFK, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King)
I'm not sure 'fiasco' is the word I would use.

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Can we please give Reagan's supporters a little time before going negative in the thread?
Well excuse me, I thought that was an accomplishment.
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Are you really that stupid?
I don't want to get into the negatives now. However, there's a discussion forum in the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jun8.html

A lot of people bring up a number of Reagan negatives. Saying that the negatives outnumber the positives is hardly 'stupid'. Numerically, that's likely correct. However the positives may be more significant, which is why this threa is focused on them.

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why is it negative to state the facts?
Because we don't learn anything about why people admire Ronald Reagan by harping on negatives. I COULD have posted a 'bash Ronnie' thread. I think learning why people admired him is more interesting and instructive.

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