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O Canada!--a tribute to disposablehero

O Canada!
by Joseph Sobran

When President Bush spoke of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as "an axis of evil," some of us reached the hasty conclusion that he was nuts. After all, Iran and Iraq are next-door neighbors and bitter enemies. Didnít Bush know theyíd recently fought a long and exhausting war, with more than a million deaths? Didnít he know about their profound religious, cultural, and linguistic differences?

As for North Korea, itís an isolated, lunatic Communist regime at the other end of the worldís largest continent. The idea that itís on the same "axis" as either Iraq or Iran is daffy. Itís hardly in the same universe.

And what would an "axis of evil" be, anyway? Do wicked people say to each other: "Hey, why donít us evil guys get together!"?

"Evil" is an evaluation, not a substance or a quality. In the language of Thomistic philosophy, evil is a "privation of good." It has no positive existence.

And very few people, including mass murderers, think of themselves as evil. Itís always the other fellowís fault. Check out Stalin and Trotsky, or Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.

So why is Bush talking this way? Well, we now have the answer. And we should have known it wasnít his idea.

Whenever a dimwittedóthat is to say, Republican president utters a striking phrase, itís only a matter of hours before a speechwriter steps out from behind the curtain to take a bow. Why should the ventriloquist let the dummy get all the credit?

In this case the ventriloquist was one David Frum, a Canadian journalist for whom "evil" means "enemy of Israel." The word "axis" was intended to equate the odd threesome of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea with the original Axis of Germany, Italy, and Japan. Never mind the minor distinction that the original Axis really was a working alliance, whereas the "axis of evil" trio arenít even on speaking terms.

Frumís wife, Danielle Crittenden, who is also a journalist, expressed her connubial pride at the phrase in an e-mail to friends, one of whom forwarded it to Slate, which published it over her objections.

So now we know the phrase "axis of evil" wasnít really coined by an American president. It wasnít even coined by an American! You have to watch those Canadians every minute. Theyíre always trying to get this country to fight their wars for them, just like their British cousins.

I realize that by saying this I may have made it impossible for me to take my next vacation in Quebec. I will probably be barred from Canada under their stringent hate-speech laws, and my rather innocuous remarks will probably fall under that heading in their hypersensitive minds. Iíll be accused of fomenting hatred against all Canadians.

Well, let the chips fall where they may. Canadians can go around calling other countries "evil," but if you suggest that they themselves have their little shortcomings, youíre a bigot. The double standard is flagrant.

I donít suggest that all Canadians are evil. Iíve known several who werenítóMarshall McLuhan, Northrop Frye, and the Montreal Canadiens, for example. But they have their own angle, and you have to deal with them with due wariness.

Canada is a lovely place to visit, but I wouldnít want to live there. For one thing, taxes are stupendous -- though it doesnít matter much, since the official currency is essentially counterfeit anyway. The value of the Canadian dollar shrinks so fast you need a stopwatch to time it.

On the other hand, Canada is a democracy and our only reliable ally in the region. Itís rich in natural resources and every year exports thousands of Newfie jokes, which are now considered hate crimes. Hate crimes! They are among Canadaís chief contributions to Western culture. True, the premise of the jokes is that the noble people of Newfoundland have IQs somewhere in the Bush range. But every country has its seething ethnic tensions, and humor can be a healthy release. The whole problem could be resolved by giving the Newfies their own homeland.

Call me a nativist, but Iím getting just a little weary of Canadians pouring into this country to dodge taxes, take our women, and get us into wars. Do they take us for a bunch of Newfies?

February 26, 2002
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Whopps...I thought this was about the MEN WINNING THE GOLD....sorry...wrong thread...
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sorry jas...i'll give that gold medal performance as a tribute to you ...like disposable I'm a big hockey fan and a big Sakic fan (saw him play in the Pepsi Center many times)...i believe the gold meant more for Canada than it did for the U.S.--they need that likely since the NHL teams there are struggling financially...
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silvercharm honey, you need a history lesson. You need to refresh about the second world war.( Fighting our wars for us???? )You are right, there are probably quite a few of your American vets who would be very upset with you at this time seeing as our Canadian soldiers fought BEFORE you and WITH you during WWll. Fight our wars for us? really? I'm afraid you have woken a sleeping giant with this thread. Oh yes and bottom line....whomever wrote the speech YOUR AMERICAN Administration ultimately chose the words. Take some time next time you are in Quebec and educate yourself about the country so that you can understand more and not feel so hostile towards us. I feel it necessary to also comment for all of the families all over Canada who currently have loved ones fighting for ALL of OUR freedom in Afganistan working shoulder to shoulder with your American military "GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE" . Finally I will not take offence to your thread because I understand that you are ignorant as to much of Canadian history. Hypersensitive, naw just concerned that American people who don't really understand our country who claim to have so much knowledge are educated.
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Whopps...I thought this was about the MEN WINNING THE GOLD....sorry...wrong thread...


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"I believe the gold meant more for Canada than it did for the U.S."...??


Pardon, Silvercharm...? You may need to ask your Men and Women's Olympic Hockey Teams about that comment...
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jas--i was referring to the Canadian people...and congrats to the women as well
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jas - I kind of have to agree that it mean more to the Canadian people than it would have to the American.
Perhaps maybe it didn't mean more to the individual players than it did for the other team -
But when is the last time you've seen Canadians be so nuttingly patriotic? I'm not sure I'll ever see it to that degree again - unless well - the leafs win the Stanley Cup lmao.

But seriously - from coast to coast people were flag waving, cheering, and partying all over the place.
If I'm not mistaken, the game drew the largest Canadian audience in TV history.

Do you think the effect inthe USA would have been to the same degree?

btw -
"Canada is a lovely place to visit, but I wouldnít want to live there. "

These were the authors words - but I assure you that you, he, and anyone else who shares similar views, aren't wanted up here anyhow.
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Let me elaborate a little on the last bit -

I am not denying that there are hypocrits, and sick minded people that live in Canada. There are people like that everywhere.

But to suggest that we turn to the USA to fight all our wars, is both untrue and hypocritical.

Did the USA not turn to Brittain, Canada, and other countries for some much needed support after Sept. 11? Yet this guy has the balls to accuse us, of doing the same thing? Its almost laughable. Almost.

Furthermore, I seem to have vague recollection of the USA fighting a battle that wasn't theirs in Vietnam. Where was Canada? Oh thats right - not interested in fighting a battle that wasn't there.

Lets examine world war two now shall we - who was there first , Canada ot the US? The US only came in to the war years after the rest of us, after they were personally effected, then for the next half century have been trying to claim they won it

That is - Canada has gone to war without the US, and not followed the US into their wars, on different accounts.

The writer of this article is clearly ignorant, as is anyone who buys the load of crap for everything it says.

If we're going to judge a country on what a few individuals have done, let me name a few - Timothy McVay, Jeffery Dommer, Charles Manson.
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Becca, they aren't really wanted here either, but because we have to be so kind to Nazis like silvercharm, they're allowed here.

I totally agree with Tracey. This is the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever read. Canada is not the reason we're fighting those countries, American (Republican) greed is. It's because of people like silvercharm who want to stay head and shoulders above the rest of the world in terms of wealth no matter what the cost to others.

Tracy put it perfectly... "whomever wrote the speech YOUR AMERICAN Administration ultimately chose the words."


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"Becca, they aren't really wanted here either, but because we have to be so kind to Nazis like silvercharm, they're allowed here. "

lol Well even if I say they aren't wanted here - Its Canada. Anyone can get into Canada

No skills, no educations, no employment experience, criminal backgroud - Come to Canada! We accept anyone
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Sometimes I really feel like the United States and Canada would both benefit from restricting immigration like France and the United Kingdom do. And while it would help keep out a lot of undesirables, there are a lot of innocent people fleeing persecution and other problems and they have no where else to go. So, in order to help those people who really do deserve our help, we just have to put up with those that really don't.


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"Nazis like silvercharm"...proof of how diseased the liberal mind really is...i guess only Nazis disapprove of massive killing of Iraqi children; waging immoral and illegal wars; of having the State to wage coersive forse against its citizens; of valuing each individual life as an end to itself....hmmm, that a good definition of a Nazi
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silvercharm - do you have a response for any of the stuff I said?

I dont' think I flat out insulted you - aside from snidely pointing out that I wouldn't want to live around people who don't want to live inCanada to begin with - and think that i had some very good points.
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Canada a good place to live is just one big myth. i lived there for 1 year and really i was so glad to get out of there and live somewhere which isn't like a worse version of the us.

and please get your facts right on the uk immigration policy, they let anyone in, it is an easy touch
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