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What is the deal with the American Military???

I hate to ask the question, but what is the deal? Right in the paper today is a photo of an apparently US soldier smiling behind the bodies of dead Iraqis. And to think I considered serving, and sometimes regret not having served in my nations military. What is the deal? And the papers say they were tortured, and forced men to perform homosexual acts and the like, and they were sodomized? what is the deal? these are professional servicemen and women? I mean I found it idiotic and disgusting when a marine put the flag ontop of the Saddam statute last year but this is ridiculous. And to think all of the honor and integrity that Bush wanted to restore, what a crock of shit... And all of the prayers and ideology etc that they start the day with, and then do things like this.

Bush gets the credit when the military does a good job, does he also feel the heat when American soldiers act like freaking Idiots?
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"Saddam was a bad man and need to be removed, now at least the tortures will stop"
I can only say....o yes, the Iraqi people are much better off now



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"Saddam was a bad man and need to be removed, now at least the tortures will stop"
I can only say....o yes, the Iraqi people are much better off now


There are plenty of bad men that need to be removed. I am not addressing whether we should have invaded iraq. I am only asking what the f--k are my fellow country men doing humiliating, torturing, sodomizing etc. the iraqi people? This is what my tax money is going to? The US is a country that represents the belief in the rule of law. We are not supposed to be out there acting like barbarians, despite what our 'enemy' does to our soldiers. I am relieved that i didnt serve in the military. My guess is that there are a lot of Homophobic self righteous assholes in the military, and I was probably not unwise to stay away. I was not addressing the issue of whether the US should be there. More i was commenting on the attitudes and practices of individual soldiers.

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i do not agree with this bahavior at all in any way but perhaps it is in retaliation for like when murdered americans bodies r dragged thru the streets for cheering iraqis or when 2 americans surrenders and gave up their weapons and were then shot and decapitated
jst a thought
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Yeah I know. But the United States is supposed to be based on the Rule of Law. Those actions are not compatible with our image as a beacon of hope for 'the poor, hungry, tired, huddled masses yearning to....", as is written on our Statue of Liberty.
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ok fair enough
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the answer lies in the title: America.
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heres a blury picture for you.
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Yeah I know. But the United States is supposed to be based on the Rule of Law. Those actions are not compatible with our image as a beacon of hope for 'the poor, hungry, tired, huddled masses yearning to....", as is written on our Statue of Liberty.
It's a sad fact of life, Paul, that in every society, there is an element that is capable of acts of extreme brutality. We usually consider them to be sadistic criminals and lock them up in prisons and mental institutions.

But sometimes, these people can be useful to us. Sometimes we require our young men (mostly) to kill, maim, mutilate, set alight, blow to smithereens and otherwise be pretty mean towards; our enemies. In order for them to do this efficiently and unquestioningly, any trace of 'squeemishness', any moral scruples must be removed from their mindset. We turn them into 'mean, lean killing machines'. Grrrrr!

Now instill a sense of devotion to (insert your own highest standard - God, The Flag, The American Way) and an absolute hatred for (insert you current enemy's defining characteristics - communists, terrorists, his nationality or religious persuasion) and you have youself the perfect soldier.

In short, we create brutal killers. My question is: Why are we so surprised when they act this way?



Another question is: What do you do with them when you don't want them to go around killing people anymore? They have fulfilled their purpose, done their duty for us and we expect them to fit right back into 'normal' society - stacking shelves at WalMart/LeClerque(sp)/Sainsbury's - without showing any signs of their former selves. Food for thought!!



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The majority of soldiers i doubt would do this. Id have to think its a minority. but cant they do a better job of weeding these guys out? They spend so much time trying to figure out who is or has been gay, if you ever smoked a joint, yada yada ya, but not trying to figure out who are the real bad eggs. I dont know if this behavior comes from above, or if its just a few individuals acting on their own.
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Yeah I know. But the United States is supposed to be based on the Rule of Law. Those actions are not compatible with our image as a beacon of hope for 'the poor, hungry, tired, huddled masses yearning to....", as is written on our Statue of Liberty.
as Lou Reed put it: " "give me your tired your poor to piss on",that's what the statue of bigotry says"

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The majority of soldiers i doubt would do this. Id have to think its a minority. but cant they do a better job of weeding these guys out? They spend so much time trying to figure out who is or has been gay, if you ever smoked a joint, yada yada ya, but not trying to figure out who are the real bad eggs. I dont know if this behavior comes from above, or if its just a few individuals acting on their own.
To answer that, I'll tell you about this bloke I know.
He's an ex-soldier (SAS) who now works as a nightclub bouncer and he is built like the proverbial brick shit-house - as hard as they come.
He has a video at home of which he is very proud - cctv footage of him beating up three bikers who attacked him with an iron bar outside the nightclub, putting two of them in A&E in the process (the third ran away).

But do you know who this guy hates to let into his club? - In his own words, "Poofs and hippies".
Yep! This guy is not in the lest bit scared of being attacked with an iron bar, yet he feels his whole world is threatened by two of the least harmful groups in society. Lots of people in the Police force are the same.

Why? Because violence is something they are trained to deal with. It's something they know about, something they grew up dealing with, whereas being 'sensitive' and/or having feelings towards other men is not in their mindset.

However you look at it, the army needs, tough (as they see it) people who are capable of following a direct order to kill! Yes, there are times when a soldier is required to be humane - rescuing victims of natural disasters, deploying aid to areas of famine etc - but in war, their main role is to be brutal towards the enemy. Sadly, a minority extend take this to extremes, even after the enemy has been captured.

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Man, proud man, drest in a little brief authority, most ignorant of what he’s most assured,
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What does Proof mean? boy Im glad i stayed out of the military. Theyd have had a good time with a 'good liberal boy like me....'
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Nice way to generalize there. That prison stuff is involving one unit of soldiers out of how many thousands and thousands who are serving. Oh yeah, I forgot....all Americans are evil.
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What does Proof mean?
Poof! (or 'poofta') - In England it's like the American English '******'. A male homosexual.


Man, proud man, drest in a little brief authority, most ignorant of what he’s most assured,
his glassy essence, like an angry ape, plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven,
as makes the angels weep.

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