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Russians challenge figure skating results, seek gold for Slutskaya

Russians challenge figure skating results, seek gold for Slutskaya

By LARRY SIDDONS
AP Sports Writer
February 22, 2002


SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Russian officials filed a formal protest of the women's Olympic figure skating final, saying silver medalist Irina Slutskaya should get her own gold medal because of biased judging.

The protest was signed by Russian Figure Skating Federation president Valentin Piseyev and sent to the referee of Thursday night's long program after 16-year-old American Sarah Hughes won the gold.

It singled out the judging that gave Hughes the win after she placed fourth in the earlier short program. Slutskaya finished second and American Michelle Kwan took the bronze.

``We filed the protest last night because we think the judging was biased,'' the head of the Russian delegation in Salt Lake City, Viktor Mamatov, told The Associated Press on Friday. ``Canadian pairs skaters were awarded their gold medals. Now that subjective judging harmed us, we want the same for Slutskaya.''

Last week, Canadian pairs skaters Jamie Sale and David Pelletier were given their own gold medal after the ISU found there had been misconduct by a judge. Russians Anton Sikharulidze and Elena Berezhnaya finished first after the competition.

Asked whether he thinks Slutskaya will be awarded a gold medal, Mamatov said: ``Right now, I don't think anything. We'll wait for the protest to be evaluated, then we'll see.''

Ottavio Cinquanta, president of the International Skating Union, said he was aware of the protest.

``For us, this is not so important,'' said Cinquanta, whose organization is investigating the pairs judging.

For folks in Hughes' hometown, the latest protest was maddening.

``That's just sour grapes,'' said Dan Tomaselli, a high school music teacher in Great Neck, N.Y. ``The Russians, of all people, should keep their mouths shut.''

Mamatov refused to speculate whether the new controversy would prompt the Russians to leave before the end of the games. Russian officials first threatened to walk out Thursday, citing favoritism and unfair treatment from Olympic officials and judges.

``If decisions are not made and issues we raised not resolved, the Russian team will not play hockey, will not run 30 kilometers, will look very negatively on other factors,'' Russian Olympic Committee president Leonid Tyagachev said Thursday.

He said a high number of Russian athletes had been picked for drug tests and referred to an unspecified ruling by a goal judge in ice hockey.

``I think we are seeing a witch hunt,'' he said.

Russian anger boiled over after nine-time Olympic medalist Larissa Lazutina was disqualified from the 20-kilometer cross-country relay following a blood test.

A short time later, South Korea said it might boycott Sunday's closing ceremony over a judge's decision that gave a short-track speedskating gold to American Apolo Anton Ohno.

The latest Russian protest came only hours before the Russian men's hockey team faced the United States in a semifinal on the 22nd anniversary of the Americans' stirring victory over the Soviet Union at Lake Placid, N.Y.

After meeting with Tyagachev on Thursday, International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge sent a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin to assure him the games were fair and that his nation's anger was understood.

``President Rogge wrote to express sympathy, to say he has been in contact with the sports federation and that the decisions are absolutely correct,'' IOC director general Francois Carrard said.

Putin said there was bias at the games but indicated that Russia won't walk out.

``North American athletes receive a clear advantage,'' Putin told journalists at the Kremlin. ``Let us see how the Olympic Games end. Let us hope that the IOC leadership will manage to solve these difficulties.''

However, the lower house of Russia's parliament passed a resolution 417-0 calling on Russian athletes to boycott the closing ceremony unless the IOC reruns the cross-country race, bars North American referees from the hockey game and apologizes to the Russian Olympic team.

Tyagachev said he told Rogge his nation was ``greatly unappreciated'' in the Olympics.

South Korea unsuccessfully protested an ISU referee's decision Wednesday night that gave the 1,500 meter short-track gold to Ohno. He finished second to a South Korean skater but got the gold when the Korean was ruled to have interfered on the final lap.

``We can take various measures, including not participating during the closing ceremony,'' said Park Sung-in, head of South Korea's Olympic team.

With just three days before the closing ceremony, IOC leaders met Thursday night to discuss the issues.

Rogge spoke with the presidents of skating, skiing and hockey ``and was reassured that their judges are acting in accordance with the rules,'' IOC vice president Kevan Gosper said.

Lazutina was disqualified because of high levels of hemoglobin, a move that knocked four-time defending champion Russia out of the event. Tyagachev said that while the skier's hemoglobin count was just above the legal limit, she was not guilty of doping.

``We are clean,'' he said. ``We have nothing to hide.''

A urine test on Lazutina will determine whether her case will be considered a drug positive. Results were expected Friday. Lazutina, who already has won two silvers at these games, is scheduled to compete in the 30-kilometer race Sunday.

On Thursday, Tyagachev said there was a 24-hour window to address the situation, and that if Russia left Salt Lake City it probably would not compete in Athens in the next Summer Games. ``Once you leave, it is not easy to come back in,'' he said.

Later, Vitaly Smirnov, an IOC vice president from Russia, tempered Tyagachev's remarks, saying there was no ultimatum.

Tyagachev was upset by more than the Lazutina case. He made repeated references to the figure skating judging dispute.

``This was a new decision that was practically unprecedented,'' he said. ``We went along with the decision and tried to look at it objectively. ... But we have only so much patience.''

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What's going on at these OLYMPICS?!?!?!? I think Sale and Pelltier opened up a can of worms
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I told you so ..... this is never gonna end I said it was only the beginning.

UNbiased reports are on the BBC .... well less biased

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Oh PUH-LEASE - spare me the "its Salle and Pelletier's fault!" claims
All they did was protest what appeared to be fishy. Its not their fault they were awarded more golds.
Blame the skating organization and the IOC- Dont' blame them.
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"Canadian pairs skaters were awarded their gold medals. Now that subjective judging harmed us, we want the same for Slutskaya."

Its only fair. I can see arguement that Irina should have won the short program, in which case she would have won gold. If the Canadian pair got to protest, I don't see anything wrong with them doing it here. Maybe I'd feel the same if I were her.
Lets be honest - going into this who though Irina would win Gold if she skated 100% and none of the other girls fell?


"``That's just sour grapes,'' said Dan Tomaselli, a high school music teacher in Great Neck, N.Y. ``The Russians, of all people, should keep their mouths shut.'' "

Well its nice to hear that no one is being ignorant about this
how would he like it if a Russian representitive started rattling off about how Americans should keep their mouths shut?
Hell I'm not American, but it bugs the piss out of me when ys does it.
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lol.....sigh - Bush is a tool

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I found this quote:
Russian spokesman Rudolf Nezvegsky told Reuters his team felt Slutskaya skated as well, if not better, than American gold medallist Sarah Hughes in the free program.

You can find the whole article @ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s_russia_dc_18

Personally, I don't think Irina skated as well as Sarah last night... and don't call me biased because I'm North American, I'm a huge Irina fan... I was sad that she didn't win but come on, she didn't skate as well as Sarah... anybody disagree?

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There is so much crap that has happened already and they all seem to favor the Americans and the Canadians.

1. - Anton and Elena won, and then they have to share the gold medal.

2. - Irina should have won the short program, if not the long -- and Maria should've been ahead of Sarah after the short.

3. - Team Russia couldn't compete in cross country relay, since they disqualified one of their teammates too late, so they couldn't find a replacement.

4. - The Koream short track skater disqualified. Guess what - An American wins the gold, and a Canadian the bronze.

5. - The ice dance team of lithuania skate perfect - they come behind two teams who fall.

and the list goes on...
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and they only seem to drug test the russians
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Blam the people in charge - not the countries being favoured.
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They only seem to drup test the Russians?
No - we only know about it for the one that tested positive.

Where the heck did you get that from?
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There is so much crap that has happened already and they all seem to favor the Americans and the Canadians.

1. - Anton and Elena won, and then they have to share the gold medal.

2. - Irina should have won the short program, if not the long -- and Maria should've been ahead of Sarah after the short.

3. - Team Russia couldn't compete in cross country relay, since they disqualified one of their teammates too late, so they couldn't find a replacement.

4. - The Koream short track skater disqualified. Guess what - An American wins the gold, and a Canadian the bronze.

5. - The ice dance team of lithuania skate perfect - they come behind two teams who fall.

and the list goes on...
There are some things I agree with you on but some not so much. The decision to award two gold medals in pairs was the right thing to do.

For figure skating, personally I thought Sasha should of won the SP and then between Irina and Michelle, I thought it was too close to call... Sarah most definetly won the long program though.

Cross country i won't comment cuz i don't know the whole story.

For short track, I'm not really too aware of the rules so when I was watching I couldn't believe the korean guy was DQ but then afterwards, somebody read the description of cross tracking from the rule book and then showed when the korean guy cross tracked and it was fairly obvious that he did do that.

For ice dance, I completely 100% agree with you!! I am a big fan of the canadians but I thought that the lithuanian(sp) team should of won the bronze! It seemed like an obvious decision and I was really shocked that they didn't get bronze!

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and they only seem to drug test the russians
Do you have a link to an article or a webpage or something where it lists all the athletes that have been tested?? I'm just wondering because I keep hearing that over and over about how they only seem to test russians!! Thanx in advance!

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the statement on only tetsing russian is ridiculous LOL, and I agree with becca for that.

Sarah won it fair and square, she has the best program last night and she is the only one to land two triple triple on the night and have no mistake. Irina is a very close second, personally, I think Irina skate as well as sarah, but if I was the judge, I will give Sarah the edge because it stand out a little bit more. Yes, Sarah is lucky to win, and it is because and only because Michelle skate badly (moving Michelle behind irian and thereby handing her the gold). And the judging for this is the fairest out of all 4 ice skating contest. (although I have not seen the short program, which people talk about)

Having said all that, I understand why russian do the protest, they want to do it to show the ridiculous incidents which seems to against them, the cross country, the gold sharing, the apparent refereeing in hockey etc. I doubt they do it because they feel that the competition was unfair, so... this will go on and on. It definitely brings a lot of buzz into it, but it is very negative. I truly hope that it will not go into a political debate, coz that will just be plain stupid.
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Let's just give every athlete Gold medals to end any debate, aye?
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But Slutskaya was really better. She's the golden girl. That Hughes is an american helped her.

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