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Belgian monarchy

Just curious to know what kind of powers the monarchy has in Belgium, what the history of the family is, how popular they are, whether there's any chance that Belgium will eventually become a republic.

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they don't have much power anymore..I think the king only has to sign propositions of the Chambers I think..

Lot's of people want a republic, others want the monarchy to stay.. I prefer the monarchy..
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But Belgium hasn't been an independent state for very long (relatively speaking), so where does this family come from? How established are they?

I'm sure Joshie will be here soon enough
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it was just a guy they asked!!!!!!!!!! Leopold I Van Saksencoburg if I'm not wrong

we learned about it..but this is really something for Josh..lol
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Isn't Angelica Some Sort Of Royalty in Belgium?

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Belgium became independent in 1830 en our first king was a german (i think).

I would prefer a republic. At least we wouldnt have to pay then to support his entire family.

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I would prefer a republic. At least we wouldnt have to pay then to support his entire family.
that's rubbish..who do you think pays the president and his home etc???
I think those elections for a president are just stupid...they try to make eachother ridiculous, spend millions of money to promote themselves and once they are there nobody can harm them for 4 years..pffffffff
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Nearly all European royal families are related anyway. I think the Saxen Coburgs are the most powerful family in history. I believe Albert (Queen Victoria's hubby) is a Saxen Coburg as well.

I don't mind our royals. They're not too clever, but they're not leading this country so it's no big deal.

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At the moment we have almost three queens to pay for for gods sake! Do you have any idea how expensive a monarchy really is??

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But Boudewijn must have had power because he was no king anymore for one day once

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At the moment we have almost three queens to pay for for gods sake! Do you have any idea how expensive a monarchy really is??
and you think all those stupid promotions of the candidates for presidentship isn't expensive????
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I would prefer a republique too, allthough our king doesn't have any power. But it's just the principal, a monarchy isn't democratique, the king isn't chosen by the people. But as I said, the king doesn't have any power so that's ok, but paying for them isn't very fair indeed.

But above all I'm not fond of our royal family, especially the crown prince. They don't look very intelligent and I don't think they're interesting people.
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and you think all those stupid promotions of the candidates for presidentship isn't expensive????

Of course thats expensive, duh! Im just saying that in a republic the people wouldnt have to support the entire presidential family.

Our entire royal family has a total IQ of 50. The crown prince even has to buy a degree cause he's too stupid to study!

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I'm not Belgian but I agree with Angelica... paying any amount of money just to support a bunch of figureheads who have to do nothing but spend money is really a waste. There are a lot of poor people in Belgium that could use that money.


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Our first king was Leopold of Saxonie-Coburg and Gotha and he was crowned king og Belgians on July 21st 1831. As you can tell by his name he came from what is now Germany and he wasn't first choice to become king. The Belgian preliminary government was looking for a king who would be accepted by all the great powers of that time. They were looking in France at first but that wouldn't be acceptable for England and Russia as France still wanted to annex Belgium and with a French king that would be fairly easy to do. A Dutch king was impossible since it was decided (and that decree still exists) that the House of Orange could never ascent to the throne because Belgium had just gained its independence from the Netherlands. So they ended up with Leopold, who wasn't very keen on accepting the job but he finally did. He was acceptable for all the great powers cause he was related to Queen Victoria and the approval of England was very important since they had accepted Belgium's independence in the first place.

The first two kings, Leopold I and II had a lot of political power and were able to control the government and parliament. That changed with Albert I but his influence was still considerable cause he was loved by the people for his actions during WWI where he fought along his army. Since then the constitution has defined the role of the king. Nowadays he doesn't have any real power anymore but depending on his personality he still has a certain influence. Every week he has a chat with the premier about recent developments and future plans and of course he can give his opinion but his opinion is not binding. He also has to sign the laws that have been voted by parliament and technically he can refuse to sign that but that has only happened once. King Boudewijn refused to sign the law that depenalised abortion because of religious motives. The government decided to declare the king in a state of inability to reign for 1 day and they signed the law in his place and so everybody was happy.

At the moment there's a debate going on about making the king only a ceremonial function like in Sweden f.e. That means the king would only wave to the people, appear in public now and then etc... but he would no longer sign laws or meet the premier on a weekly base. I dunno if that proposition will be voted soon though. It seems like the monarchy still has a fairly big support from the people so it's still very delicate to 'touch' the monarchy.

There's a difference between Flanders and Wallonia though. In Flanders you often see that members of the royal family are being booed or they are thrown eggs at etc. The proposition to limit the king's influence was also written by Flemish parties. On the Walloon side there's more support for the king cause they see the Flemish attempts to limit his influence as an attempt to break up the country. The king is actually seen by many as the unison between Flemings and Walloons and if he should disappear they fear that Belgium will also disappear.

But I think it's a discussion that will go on for a while and for now the monarchy is safe. Especially now with the newborn crown princess and all.

I'm a republican but I don't mind the monarchy at the moment.
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