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Good point,and I'm afraid the answer would be no. She has already tried two different coaches and neither suited her needs. I think that it's going to remain on Piotr's shoulders at least for this season. But that might be for the better,though. It was him who helped her to win two titles last year and score a win against a top 10 player in ages.
I think that he is a big help for her, the problem is that he cannot go on the court for her when she is not going by his instructions. And judging by the last loss, she probably isn't.
What's appalling sometimes is the simplistic mindset that exists at TF;people either unfairly bash Piotr as if he had totally failed to raise his daughter correctly...and then there are those who go to the other extreme in suggesting that it would be some sort of traumatic sacrilege if Caro ever got a typical coach and let her coach/father return to being just dad...neither is an intelligent summation.On the one hand,despite the Slam shortcomings,Piotr did fairly well for someone w/o a coaching pedigree,both as a coach AND a father,in helping Caro achieve what she has done in life.In re the other side of the extreme,Mary Pierce had some great success after parting ways with a warped,controlling father who was far worse than Piotr could ever be on his worst day and,IMO,she wasn't as mentally strong as Caro....that is to say,if SHE was able,than Caroline most likely is,too

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I Wonder Now Long it will take before Caro ready too Break outta her shell and wants be Coached by a real Coach beside her dad, someone who willing to help her improve her game hopefully that happen soon
I think this is a key year. If Caroline has another year like 2012, it becomes a save-your-career situation.

Right now it looks like the way she prepares for matches doesnt help her win them. And that should be the whole point of the preparation: to win titles. To be a factor at majors.
Its not just working hard, its working smart. Trying to get the mental toughness back, that seems to be the biggest problem

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What's appalling sometimes is the simplistic mindset that exists at TF;people either unfairly bash Piotr as if he had totally failed to raise his daughter correctly...and then there are those who go to the other extreme in suggesting that it would be some sort of traumatic sacrilege if Caro ever got a typical coach and let her coach/father return to being just dad...neither is an intelligent summation.On the one hand,despite the Slam shortcomings,Piotr did fairly well for someone w/o a coaching pedigree,both as a coach AND a father,in helping Caro achieve what she has done in life.In re the other side of the extreme,Mary Pierce had some great success after parting ways with a warped,controlling father who was far worse than Piotr could ever be on his worst day and,IMO,she wasn't as mentally strong as Caro....that is to say,if SHE was able,than Caroline most likely is,too
I am not one of those,actually. Had she been doing well with either of coaches that were hired then there wouldn't be an issue. But she wasn't,it's as simple as that. One coach never fit in the team and with the help of the other one the only 'highlight' she achieved was her first-ever R1 loss in a slam.So, I can't see any reason why she should be so keen to drop the only coach who has ever helped her achieve something in her career. Her and her dad have a very special bond as many observed. Such relationship is difficult to re-create with a stranger especially after 15 or so years of being coached by one person. She's wise to leave things as they are.
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I am not one of those,actually. Had she been doing well with either of coaches that were hired then there wouldn't be an issue. But she wasn't,it's as simple as that. One coach never fit in the team and with the help of the other one the only 'highlight' she achieved was her first-ever R1 loss in a slam.So, I can't see any reason why she should be so keen to drop the only coach who has ever helped her achieve something in her career. Her and her dad have a very special bond as many observed. Such relationship is difficult to re-create with a stranger especially after 15 or so years of being coached by one person. She's wise to leave things as they are.
Those were part time coaches. This was the #1 player for 2010, 2011. Early in her career. Now she won 2 titles in the last 16 months.
Lets see how this year plays out. Losing to Pervak in a hardcourt Tier I while Caroline is healthy is one of her worst losses in years.
Caroline won 5 Tier I's in a row, mid 2010- spring 2011.
Something seems wrong. But maybe this was a one-off fluke.

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Those were part time coaches. This was the #1 player for 2010, 2011. Early in her career. Now she won 2 titles in the last 16 months.
Lets see how this year plays out. Losing to Pervak in a hardcourt Tier I while Caroline is healthy is one of her worst losses in years.
Caroline won 5 Tier I's in a row, mid 2010- spring 2011.
Something seems wrong. But maybe this was a one-off fluke.
Even if things do pick up for Caro, I don't see her acheiving those post 2010 Wimbledon run type results again.

I think it would be more appropriate to compare her results to an earlier period such as 2009 or the 1st half of 2010.

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Tough draw for Caro but there aren't many draws that would be considered easy for her these days. Based on the draw she should make it to the quarters but just winning in the 1st round would be pretty good at this point.

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wat time will her match start in usa

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Whatever we think about the coaching situation and Piotr - it could be a lot worse. I used to be a fan of JJ and Kim. JJ got to #1 at the end of 2008. I think it was immediately after the AO 2009 that she fired Sanchez as her coach. She tried a coach for a fortnight and was confused so let him go. So she went for a little while without a coach at all. In fact in her career - JJ has had Sanchez three separate time periods - firing him twice but then coming back to him.

Whatever players without a coach may say - and I've heard JJ, Ana Ivanovic, Kim in 2006, heard them all say when they didn't have a coach how they didn't really need one and knew what they needed to work on and could do that with a hitting partner. But the times when they had no coach at all - their game just got worse.

At least with Piotr Caro has got a coach and has never been without a coach at all.

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Good start in Sydney after that disaster in Brisbane.
Now this draw will tell a lot, and Melbourne is where she needs her best tennis

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Let me say that,as a Latino,I'm all in favor of keeping things within the family,but sometimes love can creep into dependency...to an unhealthy extent.I can't honestly say whether Caroline has crossed that line or not,yet we can't deny the possibility that something could happen which would make Piotr unavailable as a coach.God forbid...but it's occurred several times within my OWN family...that Piotr got cancer and was too ill to tour with Caro......Would she simply retire at that point??(I wouldn't fault her if she did,btw)If,indeed,Caroline is unable to succeed with any other coach,then that's not exactly the best endorsement for her level of mental toughness.Again,Piotr certainly hasn't been a BAD coach,per se;however,he's raised some reasonable doubts with some of his approaches

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Caro plays the winner of Goerges/Kuznetsova in the 2nd round.

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In case anyone has forgotten,Caro is 5-2 vs. the 2-time Slam winner with 4 straight triumphs,including that memorable 2009 USO match

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Ugh. I hope this means she isn't working with Adidas development team.

I think they're close to useless.

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she need someone too train with atm

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