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I miss the Caro that used to win all the time - title after title. And the Caro who used to be so mentally tough and hardly ever gifted any free points away. I loved how Caro hung in there to win her match in the 2009 USO match against Sveta. I fear the Caro today would have been blown away in 2 easy sets by Sveta then - except that very doubtful she wouldt haave made it that far to play her.

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I miss the Caro that used to win all the time - title after title. And the Caro who used to be so mentally tough and hardly ever gifted any free points away. I loved how Caro hung in there to win her match in the 2009 USO match against Sveta. I fear the Caro today would have been blown away in 2 easy sets by Sveta then - except that very doubtful she wouldt haave made it that far to play her.

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I miss the Caro that used to win all the time - title after title. And the Caro who used to be so mentally tough and hardly ever gifted any free points away. I loved how Caro hung in there to win her match in the 2009 USO match against Sveta. I fear the Caro today would have been blown away in 2 easy sets by Sveta then - except that very doubtful she wouldt haave made it that far to play her.

I miss the Caro up to mid 2011
yes, me too! But what I'm more worried about is that we may never see that Caro again!

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yes, me too! But what I'm more worried about is that we may never see that Caro again!
I dont think we will ever see the super steady Caroline again.
But I believe the mental part of this sport is huge. If Caroline has the mental toughness of a great champion, she will figure out a way to cycle back to the top. If not, then she had a great 2 years

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SHe need too find the balance of when too play more offensive & defensive but the thing is when she get into defensive mode it hard too get her outta that phrase, she don't trust her Offensive game and don't really start playing more aggressive until she lost a set, or about too lose the match, she need too have it in her head too start too the match off being aggressive

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Goldenlox offers a decent hypothesis that Caro's dad unintentionally made her weaker,mentally,by deconstructing her game.It's a fairly reliable rule of psychology that weak people don't become strong(unless they learn how to adapt to stress by undergoing and surviving some sort of major trial),and the opposite is also true.Strong people don't transform into weaklings barring some huge trauma that would break most individuals.....This case would be somewhat different yet we'd have someone that Caro trusts--and lets her guard down to--telling her to re-think everything that she'd followed and believed in...and having that lead to some ugly results.Fortunately,the tennis decline hasn't destabilized Caro as a PERSON,but she appears to have lost tons of confidence on court

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This case would be somewhat different yet we'd have someone that Caro trusts--and lets her guard down to--telling her to re-think everything that she'd followed and believed in...and having that lead to some ugly results.
Are you talking about Matt Cronin and those cronies?

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Are you talking about Matt Cronin and those cronies?
No,Caroline would never let 'outsiders'--especially those with questionable credibility like Serb-horny Cronin--dictate to her.I'm considering the premise that PIOTR,with good intentions,encouraged the overly-aggressive changes to her game...and now she doesn't trust herself at critical junctures b/c she has lost her more-defensive foundation that led her to previous success........Let's be clear that this is merely a hypothesis and I'm not claiming omniscience on why Caroline's internal confidence seems to have failed

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I'm considering the premise that PIOTR,with good intentions,encouraged the overly-aggressive changes to her game...
That would go directly against comments made over the 15 years or so .. He favours the stable development, adding on, bit by bit ... Unless of course it's all just been one big scam and he secretly wants Caro to be a BBB and that was his evil plan from the time she was 9!

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That would go directly against comments made over the 15 years or so .. He favours the stable development, adding on, bit by bit ... Unless of course it's all just been one big scam and he secretly wants Caro to be a BBB and that was his evil plan from the time she was 9!
Whoever was the main coach between summer of 2011 and now had to be involved in this form drop off. Had to. Thats part of being a coach, keep your player's game from falling apart

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That would go directly against comments made over the 15 years or so .. He favours the stable development, adding on, bit by bit ... Unless of course it's all just been one big scam and he secretly wants Caro to be a BBB and that was his evil plan from the time she was 9!
As you indicate in the first portion of your post,what's happened recently has been a clear departure from how Caroline had been developed previously.Although you are correct that Caro makes the final decisions,it's totally unrealistic to suggest that Piotr wasn't consulted prior to the departure from the previous norm and,to some degree at least,he co-signed on the change(as Goldenlox touches on above).

Based on what we've seen from the relationship,if Piotr HAD totally disagreed with the move,he likely would've told Caroline that he still loved and supported her wholeheartedly,but could not take part in something that he felt was harmful to her career...yet would be there with open arms whenever she felt ready to return to the original course he had laid for her.

'Betrayal' is way too strong of a word to use here,but it gives a roundabout generalization of what may have happened within Caroline: She was brought up to follow the course that you refer to above...only to have the person she trusted most--who had designed that course for her--encourage her to stray from it...leading to often-disastrous results.Can we agree that she is so very unsure of herself now on court...as if she didn't know what to believe in??

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Whoever was the main coach between summer of 2011 and now had to be involved in this form drop off. Had to. Thats part of being a coach, keep your player's game from falling apart
A head coach of a pro sports team whose team had disappointing to poor results over a couple of years would likely find themselves on the hot seat and in danger of being fired.

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She has become an UE machine. And so inconsistent. Even Kuznetsova is more consistent
Large numbers of these errors aren't even coming when she's going for her shots. That makes it worse.

Errors from going from her shots are more understandable/ok than just missing on routine shots.

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A head coach of a pro sports team whose team had disappointing to poor results over a couple of years would likely find themselves on the hot seat and in danger of being fired.
Caro is so different than one of her Adidas teammates;one can barely go a year without firing a coach(with an aggressive misinformation campaign whereby she pretends to be sweet and angelic),and the other will play for only one coach on the planet

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