The difference between team sports and individual sports I pointed out was that the coach was publicly lambasting his team for a poor display. It wasn't members of the team apologising for their personal performance. The fact that I gave some examples of individual sports does not nullify what I stated in any way since the examples I gave were the players behavior where an apology was forced out of them as opposed to performance which was on the video link.
Tanking a match constitutes unaccetable behviour in my book (except at YEC playing a dead match when already qualified for the SF I wouldn't expect 100%). But there's a big difference between tanking a match and posters on a message board saying a player tanked a match. And innocent until proved quilty. I don't count gearing yourself to peak at the slams and not playing as well at the smaller tournaments as tanking. I don't count having nothing left in the tank in the 3rd set as tanking. I don't count letting a set go that looks lost so as to focus on the next set tanking. Blatant tanking is so unacceptable that I can't see any player capable of doing it voluntarily apologising immediately afterwards - especially when it's such a grey area and subjective.
However - I did give the Rory example that I would have expected you to agree with. And you may have heard this.voluntary apology from Venus - but I can't think of one public apology offhand that I've heard that isn't forced on the sportsperson.
Not 100% sure what you were looking for from me in re Rory,but I definitely agree that he owed the sport an apology,if that's what you meant.
You offered some insightful comments on the various DEGREEs of tanking(and you also distinguished well between legit tanking and that which doesn't qualify),and I'll agree if you're saying that the shameful variety of tanking is hard to empirically prove.However,I think that even the threat of sanctioning--IF it were carried out at least once in a while--would be effective with most of the WTA players who are guilty of it(This would include warnings from chair umpires that a punishment might be forthcoming if effort weren't improved.For televised matches,ATP and WTA bosses should relay messages directly to the chair umpire).AI and Lisicki,for example,are ALL ABOUT foisting a phony image on the fanbase,and if the WTA went public and made it clear that those two were suspected of quitting,then THAT would get their attention fairly well as it could hurt their p.r. image,possibly cost them endorsements with sponsors and reduce their popularity with hard-working fans who lost respect for such pathetic behavior...plus they'd get jealous over the lost photo-ops that went to OTHER gals,instead,as part of the punishment
As I said,you can't SCIENTIFICALLY prove who's tanking,but it's fairly obvious with some players cuz they do it all the time and don't even disguise it well.Stacy Allaster should follow the lead of the bosses in your beloved racing and take charge of this disgrace...instead of having the WTA page spew nonsensical crap where they play right along with a player who CLAIMED to have an injury when that same player was seen moving that 'injured' body part around painlessly the next day
.I'm QUITE sure that some sports fans,who don't tolerate the sort of misdeeds that you and TennisFan posted about,would respect the ATP and WTA a lot more if they saw Accountability become a part of the sport.
Thanks for your thoughtful words
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