Firstly the bottom line was Caro was the clear underdog before the match against Sveta by all the pundits before the match. You can waffle about wins that season and rankings which is about like saying Vika is fav against Serena or if Kerber had made it to face Serena that would be a "mild upset" for her to win. And as for dismiising Sveta's slam win that year on clay - well we could dismiss Serena's slam as just on grass. Bottom line is the experts at the time put Sveta as the clear favourite. Plus she had the game to blow Caro away.
Secondly during the match vs Sveta (and my original post was simply agreeing with overrule about how thrilled I was) - Sveta was an even bigger massive favourite for 2 sets - as she would have been against practically anyone.
Thirdly - protesting "I never said that...". Well all you ever talk about on that slam is "easy draws" and "I make Caro slight favourite vs Sveta" and "Kim won in a weak era - she only played Caro in the final.." No you didn't rubbish the rest of her draw. But you never said anything good about her or Caro's wins. Your silence about Kim's title being as hard as it gets with beating both sisters was deafening. If all you do is take a pot shot at weak draws and weak eras and never ever say anything good about them then - I'll draw my own conclusions as opposed to analysing what precise words you didn't say or mean.
Fourthly, I can't help but wonder - what if Caro had Serena's draw this USO now. All the seeds Serena was due to face going out early. No top 10 player to beat to get to the finals. Another weak draw I suppose. Well Serena has shown herself to be playing fantastic right now and deserves all the praise she gets. And Caro also deserves praise for that great USO 2009 run that I now miss.
Fifthly - the bottom line with this "so-called" easy draw is that there were 63 players in Caro's half including #1 Safina, Sharapova, Dementieva, Sveta that did not make it to the final. Ask them if it was an easy draw in that half.
No doubt there are some other posters here who think she had an easy draw. Fair enough if there are. But none of them apart from you go on a mission and continually try to ram that view down our throats in Caro's forum and never have a good word to say about Caro then. I find it difficult to believe you were actually following that tournament and that match vs Sveta if your main feeling was that it was a "slight upset" or "she was slight favourite" and it was an "easy draw" as opposed to you being absolutely thrilled that she managed to turn it around.
Lastly - I would just ask as a polite request to drop this. I'm not trying to censor you and you have a perfect right to ignore that request of mine as asking too much in an open forum. But nothing good comes of it. We know where we both stand and nothing is ever going to change that. We just get more irritated.
So you are ignoring the fact that after Roland Garros leading up to the U.S. Open that Caroline won nearly four times as many matches as Svetlana (19-5)? That seems silly to me but ok. Of course the pundits picked Svetlana, they will nearly always pick the more well known player and often they don't look past the results at the slams when making their predictions. Yesterday there was an obvious bias towards Maria but "real" tennis fans knew that Vika has owned Maria on hardcourts the last two seasons. What matters more, actual results or the opinions of the pundits?
You're comparing Serena Williams, arguably the greatest female tennis player to ever play the game, and Svetlana Kuznetsova? Really? You honestly think there is no difference between those two and that is an accurate comparison? I understand the point you are trying to make but I think you undercut your own argument by using Serena in your example. Using this years seeds is another bad example (Kerber was six, Caroline, who was injured/slumping, was eight) but how about last year? Would you be shocked if Marion Bartoli defeated Na Li? What about the 2010 example (Na Li hypothetically defeating Francesca Schiavone)? Maybe I am being unreasonable but I just don't see much difference between most players ranked six and eight and for the lower ranked player to score a win seems like a relatively minor upset.
I think the truth matters. Maybe you don't but, yes, it bothers me when people put words in my mouth. I have repeatedly asked people not to do that but it doesn't seem to make any difference. If you want to disagree with me that's fine, I enjoy and welcome friendly debate, but I would really rather that you disagree with things that I actually said rather than things that you think I said. Surely that is not asking too much?
Serena did have a top ten opponent on her way to the final. She faced Sara Errani in the semi-final. Currently Errani is ranked tenth and when the rankings are updated she will move up at least one spot, maybe more.
I'm not on any mission and I'm not ramming anything down anyone's throat. I was responding to a (in my view) snarky post directed at me. Absent that post I wouldn't have mentioned anything about the 2009 U.S. Open.
This is a forum about Caroline and that run to the 2009 U.S. Open final is one of her career peaks so I can't promise that I will never mention this topic again. Inevitably her 2009 U.S. Open is going to be discussed again and I won't shy away from stating my opinions about it. However, in an attempt to extend an olive branch and keep the peace I shall try not to mention it for the rest of 2012.