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Soo..Where's that Chinese boom Stacy predicted?

Next year, China/HK/Taipei will account for 10 of the WTA + WTA125K tournaments...
Rewind four years ago and there were just 2. The WTA made it clear China would be the future of tennis so they've invested in many tournaments but there are no players to back it up. It's been almost 5 years since Li Na won the French Open and almost 6 years since she and Zheng Jie made the semis of the Australian Open, and almost 10 years since Zheng Jie and Yan Zi won a grand slam doubles title. Yet following the last slam of 2015, there is just one Chinese player in the Top 100, and just one that made it to the 2nd round of the US Open (who beat a qualifier that had never played a WTA match before)...
Clearly not everything has gone to plan... What is going on?

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It takes a bit longer for the Asian players to develop... Na Li, Jie Zheng, Yan Zi & ShuShu were like "journeywoman" in their early 20s.

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Great players come and go. Even countries with great tennis traditions like the UK and Australia don't always have players at the top of the game all the time.
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Germany needs more tennis tourmanents. All the refugees resettling in Germany need entertainment.

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China is tied with USA for most players in the 100-200 range.

And it doesn't take 4 years to develop new players... it takes way more time, let's see in a decade.

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Chinese tennis has more depth than ever before if looking at the top-200, but not many of the girls have top-player/star abilities. Most are quite young and can reach top-100 but quite likely they won't become major players.

The major breakthrough will probably come as a result of 1122 Tennis Academy, in my opinion. The tennis academy co-owned by Zheng Jie and her husband established a few years ago offers scholarships and pays for player expenses, but is independent of the state system. Pretty much all the top U14 & U16 girls train there now, and they are receiving great guidance with the ability to travel to big junior tournaments in Europe and America. In the youngest categories (born 2000 and younger) there are Chinese girls doing very well internationally, but there is lots of depth everywhere so it's very difficult to determine what happens in the future.

There is a strong belief in Chinese tennis that girls from the West are maturing faster and at a younger age, and that Chinese players can't become strong and develop muscles and power until early/mid 20s. I have no idea about the science behind it, but players developing this mentality that they are too weak to compete against Western girls creates a bad mindset and lack of confidence, plus causes them to make slower transitions to the pros.
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China has a LOT of talent, as much as TF likes to hate on the Golden Flowers. The amount of young players they have between 100 and 200 is exceptional. And they all play well in China, so I expect Yanina, Qristina, Jolin, Franny, Yelena etc. to be Top 100 very soon.

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Chinese tennis has more depth than ever before if looking at the top-200, but not many of the girls have top-player/star abilities. Most are quite young and can reach top-100 but quite likely they won't become major players.

The major breakthrough will probably come as a result of 1122 Tennis Academy, in my opinion. The tennis academy co-owned by Zheng Jie and her husband established a few years ago offers scholarships and pays for player expenses, but is independent of the state system. Pretty much all the top U14 & U16 girls train there now, and they are receiving great guidance with the ability to travel to big junior tournaments in Europe and America. In the youngest categories (born 2000 and younger) there are Chinese girls doing very well internationally, but there is lots of depth everywhere so it's very difficult to determine what happens in the future.

There is a strong belief in Chinese tennis that girls from the West are maturing faster and at a younger age, and that Chinese players can't become strong and develop muscles and power until early/mid 20s. I have no idea about the science behind it, but players developing this mentality that they are too weak to compete against Western girls creates a bad mindset and lack of confidence, plus causes them to make slower transitions to the pros.
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China has a LOT of talent, as much as TF likes to hate on the Golden Flowers. The amount of young players they have between 100 and 200 is exceptional. And they all play well in China, so I expect Yanina, Qristina, Jolin, Franny, Yelena etc. to be Top 100 very soon.
That's what people were saying 2-3 years ago and still nothing.

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I'm more worried about the state of North Korean tennis tbh


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probably will take another 5 years before they start emerging


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Chinese tennis has more depth than ever before if looking at the top-200, but not many of the girls have top-player/star abilities. Most are quite young and can reach top-100 but quite likely they won't become major players.

The major breakthrough will probably come as a result of 1122 Tennis Academy, in my opinion. The tennis academy co-owned by Zheng Jie and her husband established a few years ago offers scholarships and pays for player expenses, but is independent of the state system. Pretty much all the top U14 & U16 girls train there now, and they are receiving great guidance with the ability to travel to big junior tournaments in Europe and America. In the youngest categories (born 2000 and younger) there are Chinese girls doing very well internationally, but there is lots of depth everywhere so it's very difficult to determine what happens in the future.

There is a strong belief in Chinese tennis that girls from the West are maturing faster and at a younger age, and that Chinese players can't become strong and develop muscles and power until early/mid 20s. I have no idea about the science behind it, but players developing this mentality that they are too weak to compete against Western girls creates a bad mindset and lack of confidence, plus causes them to make slower transitions to the pros.


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That's what people were saying 2-3 years ago and still nothing.
Not really, Zheng Saisai was the only Chinese player who showed lots of potential as a junior. For those who seriously follow Chinese tennis, it's actually been quite surprising just how well Yafan Wang, Zhaoxuan Yang and Lin Zhu are currently doing. Not to mention teen Fangzhou Liu is ranked around #150 and hasn't even started taking her career seriously yet.

If Li, Peng and Zheng hadn't all disappeared within a small amount of time, the amount of young Chinese players ranked between 100-150 would be seen in a completely different light. Give it 5 years, and if the situation is the same as now, then it could be actually seen as a failure.
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You can see more and more in slam qualies. Thats what US had about 5 years ago.
They need someone who can step up.
One Li Na is more important than 20 Gibbs or Davis or McHale or Rogers.
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It's not like Li won her slams 20 years ago. You need few years to teach new players play tennis on high level.

It's not like you can take some random athlete and make her great tennis player in 2 years.

I guess Tennis China is serious about tennis and when China is serious about something they get it.

Although I don't believe current Chinese scrubs will achieve something big.

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