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Head to Head Analysis

Head to head meetings for the following:

Lifetime Records

VENUS vs.

Capriati - 4:0
Davenport - 9:10
Hingis - 8:10
SERENA - 5:1

SERENA vs.

Capriati - 2:4
Davenport - 7:2
Hingis - 5:6
VENUS - 1:5

Capriati vs.

Davenport - 2:7
Hingis - 4:5
SERENA - 4:2
VENUS - 0:4

Davenport vs.

Capriati - 7:2
Hingis - 14:11
SERENA - 2:7
VENUS - 10:9

Hingis vs.

Capriati - 5:4
Davenport - 11:14
SERENA - 6:5
VENUS - 10:8

VENUS does not have a winning record against Hingis or Davenport yet, but has won most of the last 4-6 matches against these players. Look for VENUS to increase her wins over these two great players.

SERENA should get winning records against Hingis and Capriati, but may never get on the plus side of big sis.

Capriati will have to try and hold off Hingis and SERENA. Forget about Davenport and VENUS.

Davenport still finds SERENA as a major riddle. Her winning record against VENUS will probably disappear as soon as she begins play this year.

Hingis will probably maintain her lead over Capriati, but VENUS will soon get the upper hand and the matches with SERENA may become new classics.

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I think Hingis and Capriati will trade wins in the future but I think you need to phrase it the other way around that Hingis needs to hold off Capriati considering Jen has won the last 4.
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You have to realise that the Capriati of today is playing at adifferent level to the one of a couple of years back.

Therefore, the lifetime head to head's don't tell us that much about players current strengths.

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Aprentice Ba - If anything else, these head to heads will serve as a good base of analysis for this year.

Eh?

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Not so far they haven't.

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Apprentice - These are just basic facts.
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I bet your lightsaber is Red Mr Rexx...whereas mine is blue or green depending on my mood.

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Aprentice, you always want to get the LAST word in don't you?

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Yes.

You don't though.

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do you ever get tired of hating Jen? "Serena should get a winning records against Hingis and Capriati." So what's your evidence? They played 4 times last year and Jen won 3 on 3 differents surfaces 2 in slams.
According to you Hingis will maintain a 5-4 lead over Jen. What evidence do you have other then your hate for Jen? Jen's won the last 4. Don't look for an anaylyst job at ESPN.
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I have a question.

In official head to head records, are the results from the exhibitions included?

Because The grand slam cup was/is essentially an exhibition tournament. The ITF never recognised it, and the results from it are not included in head to head records. So on the ITF database it has Martina leading Venus 10-7 and Venus leading Serena 5-0.

If we are to included the GS Cup results, wouldn't we have to include all other "exhibition" records. E.g. Capriati d. Hingis at the 2000 Hong Kong tournament?

Just something wondering about... Cause it seems the GS Cup results are almost always included when it was really just an exhibition tournament.
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OK i've just checked the ITF database and now they include the GS Cup results... Before I was sure they didn't include it! They have made changes to include the Hopman Cup results too.

But anyway my question still remains.. it was only an exhibition tournament, so how come other exhibition tournaments aren't included? I can think of Mahwah too, that exhibition tournament has been in existence for a long time now.
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SamL - I am not sure regarding the Grand Slam tournament.
At first I thought it was because it was a an event ruan as a regular tourney, but just was not sanctioned by the WTA.

jrj - Get a dictionary and have someone read you the definition of "should" and "probably".

And yes, based on SERENA'S age, ability and temperment, I believe an uninjured SERENA will get on the plus side of confrontations with Cusser, er, I mean Capriati.

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