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What does player X need to do to beat player Y?

As we all know, all players have a few people they really hate to play against... so in this thread, we come up with strategies for them

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Venus vs Serena

Venus needs to get a more reliable forehand DTL (eg. slice). The board generally agrees that Serena will trump Venus more often than not in the forehand crosscourt rallies so Venus needs to hit to Serena's backhand. To go DTL, a deep forehand slice provides control and gives the opponent (serena) little to tee off on.

Justine vs Venus

Justine obviously should engage in forehand rallies with Venus because that's the side that breaks down more. A backhand DTL approach would be good for Justine to come to net as it is hit to the forehand, or Achilles heel of Venus.

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Any tips for Nancy Loeffler-Caro against Justine?

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yes...

Nancy should spike Justine's drink before the match starts.
I think it would be 50-50 then

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Amelie should hide Justine's supply of bananas.

It seemed to work last time.
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Venus' forehand is as reliable if not moreso and less prone to breakdown than justine's.

justine -v- Venus

justine needs to hope the surface is clay, and then again hope Venus is slightly off form.

Venus -v- Serena

Venus get to the net more often

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Venus' forehand is as reliable if not moreso and less prone to breakdown than justine's.

justine -v- Venus

justine needs to hope the surface is clay, and then again hope Venus is slightly off form.
I don't buy the "She's so much better so there's nothing she can do" crap when it comes to two top players.

Other than for the past few encounters Justine-Venus has always been close, even on an indoor surface like Antwerp. And Amelia Island should have been Justine's if not for the choke.

I really dont think Justine needs to hope Venus is off form on CLAY. It is more the other way round.

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I don't buy the "She's so much better so there's nothing she can do" crap when it comes to two top players.

Other than for the past few encounters Justine-Venus has always been close, even on an indoor surface like Antwerp. And Amelia Island should have been Justine's if not for the choke.

I really dont think Justine needs to hope Venus is off form on CLAY. It is more the other way round.

Oh really? Well it seemed to me that justine wasn't off form at A.I., but when Venus cleaned up her game, those red spots popped up around justine's mouth and she got scared. The rest is ....history.

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I never said Justine was off-form... I said she choked. She was obviously playing well up to the choke...

I don't see why every thread has to deteriorate into a Williams sisters versus everyone... It's just sick

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Quote:
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I don't buy the "She's so much better so there's nothing she can do" crap when it comes to two top players.

Other than for the past few encounters Justine-Venus has always been close, even on an indoor surface like Antwerp. And Amelia Island should have been Justine's if not for the choke.

I really dont think Justine needs to hope Venus is off form on CLAY. It is more the other way round.
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SF Australian O. 03' V Williams(2) - J Henin-Hardenne(5) 6-3 6-3
SF Wimbledon 7 02' V Williams(1) - J Henin-Hardenne(6) 6-3 6-2
F Amelia I. 02' V Williams(1) - J Henin-Hardenne(2) 2-6 7-5 7-6
F Antwerp 02' V Williams-WC(1) - J Henin-Hardenne(2) 6-3 5-7 6-3
F Gold Coast 02' V Williams(1) - J Henin-Hardenne(2) 7-5 6-2
QF New Haven 01' V Williams(3) - J Henin-Hardenne(5) 6-3 5-7 6-2
F Wimbledon 01' V Williams(2) - J Henin-Hardenne(8) 6-1 3-6 6-0
3 Berlin 01' J Henin-Hardenne(13) - V Williams(2) 6-1 6-4


In all of their three setters except for Amelia Island Venus has easily one the first, lost the second(though some were tight 7-5 sets),and completely dominated in the third.
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Exactly.....it looks more like Venus losing her concentration, than anything Justine did. Save perhaps Amelia Island.

Look at set scores 6-1 3-6 6-0....the outcome was never in doubt, just a slip-off.

Plus in all three-setters, save A.I., Venus was always ahead.

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but just because justine has trouble in the past doesn't mean there's nothing she can do about it... maybe she's not going about it the right way

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Yeah, I guess so. Don´t you see the 7-1 h2h?! Something must be going VERY wrong! The last two matches haven´t even come CLOSE to be close.

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