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I remember that Venus/Serena said that they have only been outplayed a couple times..

what are those times?
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Wasn't there a match where Pierce defeated Serena 6-1 6-2 at Indian Wells (possibly in 2000)? I would call that being outplayed.
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I believe Serena was outplayed in the USOPEN 2000 QF by Lindsay. It was something like 6-3, 6-4. Serena was just being punished!
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Venus said she was outplayed by Sonia Jayaseelan (sp) in Canada once and she said that Sonia def beat her that time...LOL

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Davenport beat Serena 6-4 6-2
I'd agree with that one. Davenport was just on fire.

Venus said the 4-6 6-7 loss to Sonya. I haven't seen the match.
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Well, let's see. The two of them beat Hingis 16 times. But she beat them 16 times, too, so I assume she "out played" them on at least one or two of those occasions.

Truth is, the Williams sisters have a hard time acknowledging that anyone ever outplays them. But that's kind of a delusional idea that some players have about tennis.

It's like some player with a great forehand thinking, "I have a much better forehand than she does and if she just gives me some hard, flat ones to my forehand, I'm gonna killer her."

Well, that player is correct, except her opponent knows that, so she doesn't hit to her forehand, she hits to her crappy backhand and she wins.

See, its not your opponent's job to let you play your game, its their job to take you out of your game. And unless you are playing against a backboard, there is always the chance that will happen.

And guess what? When it happens, you have been outplayed, like it or not.
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what are those times?
Venus never said "outplayed". She said there were only like 4 matches were she felt the match was out of her hands. That there was nothing she could have done to turn it around. She made this statement back in like 2001 or something anyway. I don't know about Serena.
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BTW, Serena has never said this...this came from Venus...

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Some would call it being a sore-loser and stuff, but in a way it“s cool. You NEVER EVER have to admit that you got out-played. You just say your opponent played well. That“s it.

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What are you talking about bandana-whatever? That makes no sense. Nobody is obliged to say their opponent out-played them, but not being able to admit this makes one seem haught and arrogant and rude. A little humility never hurt anyone.

For that matter, I can only think of two matches: When Pierce beat Serena 6-2 6-1 Serena seemed awed, and when Henin (believe it or not!) beat Venus 6-4 6-1 Venus said that "if she played like that all the time she would be #1 in the world, and I'm not joking". Funny how nobody seems to remember that quote!
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The problem is, when Venus and Serena lose, it's because of what THEY did. They hit too many errors. Rarely, VERY rarely does someone actually beat them. It's them beating themselves.

The only time I seen Hingis "beat" Venus was the 99 US Open semi. And I wonder what would have happened if Venus didn't cramp in the final set. But we'll never know.
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LOL Hingis beat them 15 other times. Take note of the Aussie 2001 quarters because Serena played one of the best matches she ever played against Hingis but Hingis was driving her backhand all over the court.

Of course I could argue that the Williams sisters never 'beat' Hingis that often because they didn't start turning the tide until late 1999 which is when Hingis started slowing down with foot injuries. After all the only reason they ever beat Hingis is because she was about three times as slow as she was during 96/97/98. But I don't reach for dumb excuses.

I'd love for you to explain why Hingis never beat them in all the other 15 wins she had. If Hingis never did anything to beat them then why did the Williams sisters rarely if ever lose to even quicker, more consistent players like Coetzer and Smashnova?

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Yea but Venus didn't say Hingis was too good. In fact Venus' press conference afterwards was about as excellent as her forehnad. Poor girl just took a mental holiday during that Slam.
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When Monica beat Venus. I didn't see the entire match but I heard that in the latter stages She just really went after her shots. If I am wrong then someone please correct me
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