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Red face Pam Says Belgians Are Better Than Venus

She, Mary Joe and Cliff were talking about who were better players, the Williams sisters or the Belgians, Kim and Justine. Mary Joe and Cliff agreed that the Williams sisters, when healthy, are hard to beat. Pam said that she believed that Kim and Justine were better than Venus because since 2001, Venus has not won a major (neither has Kim), while Justine has won two. She also pointed out that Venus has not won as many titles as Kim and Justine in that time. If I am not mistaken, from 2001-2003, Venus has won 14 titles, including two majors. I don't Kim and Justine have that many titles wins during that time.
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Sticks and stones...

Pam's just doing what she gets paid to do. And somebody's got to be the wrench thrower.

I miss my girls but I really do wish that they'd talk about the players who are actually at the YEC. Pam and company may not be enthusiastic about those who qualified but they could at least have the decency to feign some sort of interest.
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If I am not mistaken, from 2001-2003, Venus has won 14 titles, including two majors. I don't Kim and Justine have that many titles wins during that time.
15 for Kim, 14 for Venus, 12 for Justine.

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IMHO, I think Pam is right.

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I wish that Pam could explain how is it since 2001 that Venus' H2H against the both of them is 12-3?
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Venus won 7 titles in 2002 out of 16 played(44% winning percentage)

Kim has won so far 8 titles in 2003 out of 20 played(40% winning percentage)

Justine has played 17 tournies this year and won 8(47% winning percentage)

I don't see how Pam can say she has been in a slump the last year and a half, it's really only been since her injury. She played 3 tournaments before her injury winning one(beating Kim), getting to the Finals of the AO, and getting upset by Meghann...really an injury plagued year for Venus, not a slumping one.

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I think you need to look at why you are getting so heated up over one persons opinion. it's no big deal and doesn't deserve the attention it is getting.

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I think you need to look at why you are getting so heated up over one persons opinion. it's no big deal and doesn't deserve the attention it is getting.
It's not a question of getting heated up, but whether she has some sort of bias against Venus. She has nothing good to say about her, even when she is playing well. In addition, if Kim is better than Venus, how come Venus has more GS singles titles on her mantel than Kim?
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Just because she states an opinion that doesn't match your own, doesn't mean she has some sort of Bias.

You cannot look at what Venus done 2 years ago, it just doesn't count anymore.

I think it was Hingis who said that it takes being away from the tour for only a month and you can notice subtle improvements in the top players when you return.

I believe that Venus's best is not good enough to beat Justine or to a lesser extent Kim at this time. When Venus has been back on the tour for 6 months though, her best may well be better then what it is now, so it may very well change. Until then, I agree with Pam.

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please Pam is a double standard bearer

How rude

Serena would attack her so much that she would be dancing in the clouds

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Instant, she was the one who brought up Venus' reusltss from 2001, not me, so try to get it straight.

Facts are faacts and these are the facts:

Venus has more Grand Slam titles than Kim and Justine combined.
Venus has a 5-2 record against Kim.
Venus has a 7-1 record against Justine.
Venus had a prefect winning percentage against Kim and Justine in 2003
Venus has more career titles than Kim and Justine
By the time, Venus was 20 (Kim's age) and 21 (Jusitne's age), she had better career results.
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didnt i say williams posters are touchy? You all just helped prove my point, Mary Joe knows what shes talking about, its her job to know, id believe her before id belive any of you "know it alls" william posters, GET OVER YOURSELVES
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didnt i say williams posters are touchy? You all just helped prove my point, Mary Joe knows what shes talking about, its her job to know, id believe her before id belive any of you "know it alls" william posters, GET OVER YOURSELVES
yes Trish
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didnt i say williams posters are touchy? You all just helped prove my point, Mary Joe knows what shes talking about, its her job to know, id believe her before id belive any of you "know it alls" william posters, GET OVER YOURSELVES
Yes and Mary Joe said that Venus' tennis at her best was better than either Belgian.
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it's hard to say who's better RIGHT now, because Venus hasn't played in 6 months.

I'm willing to bet a lot of money though that San Diego, New Haven, and probably US Open would have a different champion right now if Venus wasn't injured. She's just better on hardcourts, especially in the summer, then anyone else--with exception to Serena (although Summer hard courts, Venus is better)
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