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Margaret Court vs. Steffi Graf

We've all heard the Monica/Steffi arguments ad nauseum, but what do you think about the argument for Margaret Court being the all-time greatest tennis player in comparison to what Steffi has done?

Margaret Court: 24 singles, 19 doubles, 19 mixed majors
Steffi Graf: 22 singles, 1 doubles, 0 mixed

Pretty interesting argument.

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Hi Jeff

Just waiting for those Aussie Open arguments... yawn. Esp from those posters who don't appreciate the true quality of players that Margaret did in fact have to contend with in the majority of them. I guess it would balance the fact that Steffi's chief adversary was out of action for 3 years and never reached her dizzy heights again on her return.

Anyway, both great players and both deserving of their place among the all time greats.
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On paper Margaret Court is better, but we all know Steffi's achievements mean more because of tougher competition etc...

Marge was a paper tiger.

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me know am 2 yung to no. but in the era of margaret court... is it the same like in this era without the williams sisters, with justine being the one n only margaret.???
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Well said Sam... So Maria Bueno (3 time Wimbledon Singles Champ + French & US Titles), Billie-Jean King (6 x Wimbledon Singles titles as well as French & US Titles) Evonne Goolagong (numerous Grand Slam singles titles), Darlene Hard (multiple Grand Slam winner) - all of whom Margaret dominated throughout her career were not tough competition? And then there was Lesley Turner (dual French Open champion and World #2 for several years who Margaret completely dominated), and the others she dominated included Rosie Casals, Anne Jones (Wimbledon champion), Judy Tegart, Nancy Richey (US & French Champion and ranked higher than Billie-Jean King in the USA for many years). And then after having a child, Margaret still comes back and beats Chris Evert in the French Open Final of 73. And still has wins over Navratilova, Goolagong and just about everyone else around after having 2 children and in her 30s...

I suggest you research your tennis history before you come out with such outrageous and blinkered statements such as the one above.

The competition in Margaret Court's era was tremendous, there is no doubt. Only after the top 10 did it drop off and was there less depth. But those players that made the top 10 in the 60s and 70s were all top quality players and many champions littered the rankings: Hard, Bueno, King, Goolagong, Evert, Navratilova and just below that rung was an exeptional supporting cast comprised of Turner, Wade, Jones, Casals, Tegart, Melville-Reid to name just a few.
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I think looking at the numbers: 24, 19, 19 and 22,1,0...it is pretty much closed. Margareth excelled at ALL three disciplines... the weak-competition thing is crap. Like Conchita, ASV are greater than BJK.

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I think it's a tough call. I think Margaret Court definitely doesn't get the recognition she deserves. She's not even a household name in the sense that Navratilova, and Graf are.

What is the distribution of those 24 slams (and what surfaces were they played on) back then)? Because to me one of the most impressive things about Steffi is her winning each of the Grand Slam events at least 4 times.
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I think it's a tough call. I think Margaret Court definitely doesn't get the recognition she deserves. She's not even a household name in the sense that Navratilova, and Graf are.

What is the distribution of those 24 slams (and what surfaces were they played on) back then)? Because to me one of the most impressive things about Steffi is her winning each of the Grand Slam events at least 4 times.

Still: 22<24. Isnt this the answer when discussing Graf and Seles?! So why change it now. 24 GSs are always greater than 22 slams.

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Margaret won all the Slams at least 3 times. As well as winning the Grand Slam in 1970, there were 4 other occasions that she won 3 of the 4 Slams. One of those was in 1973 when the only match she lost was in the Semis of Wimbledon to Chris Evert. This was after having her first child BTW.

3 of the Slams were on grass - the US, Aussie and Wimbledon and the French was on clay.
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I have recently been wondering about Margaret Court vs Steffi Graf in the greatness stakes.

Personally I never saw Court play so I can't really comment. I have to say though that managing to come back strong after having had kids deserves a .
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Margaret Court belongs definitely to the greatest of ALL Time and the Tennis Hall of Fame. But I think when you start comparing her with a player from another era/time you forget how much has changed: things like: the raquets, the courts and the most important of all, the public eye of the media. The pressure is today much more higher on a #1 ranked player, than it was at that time. The Grand-Slams are on different surfaces and the WTA tour is FULL of tournaments. Its not fair to make any of these two players better than the other, because the circumstances are not equal.
You can compare like: Navratilova-Evert, Sanchez-Graf or Hingis-Davenport, but never players from different eras. IMO

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some one is showing his age again!

by the way...Steffi was the best
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Steffi was the greatest of her generation.

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I didnt said that. But if you feel so, ok.

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I didnt said that. But if you feel so, ok.

wasnt talking about you....he knows who I mean!
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