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Hingis from OZ '99 vs Henin-Hardenne RG '03.

The match will be on American hard courts, outdoors.
(oth players have won the US Open, so this seems fair to me.)
I picked those to slams by my opinion of first, the quality of the opponents defeated, and second, the number of sets lost. SO hopefully its both players at their best, on a big stage.

So? Who win?

Record in Slams Won
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Henin-Hardenne
RG 03 -----------------------------------
128 W Patricia WARTUSCH     (AUT) 6-3 7-5   
 64 W Jelena KOSTANIC       (CRO) 6-2 6-2   
 32 W Dally RANDRIANTEFY    (MAD) 6-1 6-1   
 16 W Patty SCHNYDER        (SUI) 6-3 2-6 6-2   
 QF W Chanda RUBIN          (USA) 6-3 6-2   
 SF W Serena WILLIAMS       (USA) 6-2 4-6 7-5   
 FR W Kim CLIJSTERS         (BEL) 6-0 6-4   
US 03 ---------------------------
128 W Aniko KAPROS          (HUN) 7-5 6-3   
 64 W Silvija TALAJA        (CRO) 6-1 6-2   
 32 W Saori OBATA           (JPN) 6-1 6-2   
 16 W Dinara SAFINA         (RUS) 6-0 6-3   
 QF W Anastasia MYSKINA     (RUS) 6-2 6-3   
 SF W Jennifer CAPRIATI     (USA) 4-6 7-5 7-6   
 FR W Kim CLIJSTERS         (BEL) 7-5 6-1   

Hingis
OZ 97 ------------------------------------
128 W Barbara RITTNER       (GER) 6-1 7-5   
 64 W Lisa RAYMOND          (USA) 6-4 6-2   
 32 W Barbara SCHETT        (AUT) 6-2 6-1   
 16 W Ruxa DRAGOMIR-ILIE    (ROM) 7-6 6-1   
 QF W Irina SPIRLEA         (ROM) 7-5 6-2   
 SF W Mary-Joe FERNANDEZ    (USA) 6-1 6-3   
 FR W Mary PIERCE           (FRA) 6-2 6-2   
WB 97 ------------------------------------
128 W Anne KREMER           (LUX) 6-4 6-4   
 64 W O BARABANSCHIKOVA     (BLR) 6-2 6-2   
 32 W Nicole ARENDT         (USA) 6-1 6-3   
 16 W Sabine APPELMANS      (BEL) 6-1 6-3   
 QF W Denisa CHLADKOVA      (CZE) 6-3 6-2   
 SF W Anna KOURNIKOVA       (RUS) 6-3 6-2   
 FR W Jana NOVOTNA          (CZE) 2-6 6-3 6-3   
US 97 ------------------------------------
128 W Tami WHITLINGER-JONES (USA) 6-0 6-1   
 64 W Denisa CHLADKOVA      (CZE) 6-1 6-2   
 32 W Elena LIKHOVTSEVA     (RUS) 7-5 6-2   
 16 W Florencia LABAT       (ARG) 6-0 6-2   
 QF W Ax SANCHEZ-VICARIO    (ESP) 6-3 6-2   
 SF W Lindsay DAVENPORT     (USA) 6-2 6-4   
 FR W Venus WILLIAMS        (USA) 6-0 6-4   
OZ 98 ------------------------------------
128 W Wiltrud PROBST        (GER) 6-1 6-2   
 64 W Barbara RITTNER       (GER) 7-5 6-1   
 32 W Anna KOURNIKOVA       (RUS) 6-4 4-6 6-4   
 16 W Yayuk BASUKI          (INA) 6-0 6-0   
 QF W Mary PIERCE           (FRA) 6-2 6-3   
 SF W Anke HUBER            (GER) 6-1 2-6 6-1   
 FR W Conchita MARTINEZ     (ESP) 6-3 6-3   
OZ 99 ------------------------------------
128 W Lilia OSTERLOH        (USA) 6-1 6-2   
 64 W Elena DEMENTIEVA      (RUS) 6-3 6-2   
 32 W Jelena DOKIC          (YUG) 6-1 6-2   
 16 W Amanda COETZER        (RSA) 6-3 6-7 6-1   
 QF W Mary PIERCE           (FRA) 6-3 6-4   
 SF W Monica SELES          (USA) 6-2 6-4   
 FR W Amelie MAURESMO       (FRA) 6-2 6-3

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Hingis would make a fool out of Justine

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It would be a great contest.
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Henin-Hardenne is stronger, faster, and will win more free points on her serve. But Henin-Hardenne topspinning shots will take that extra tenth of second to get there that Hingis needs to play her game instead of just retrieving. And Henin-Hardenne's slice doesn't have enough bite to trouble a player as short and as deft as Hingis.

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Wiltrud Probst was still playing in '98... well, I'll be damned.
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Henin-Hardenne is stronger, faster, and will win more free points on her serve. But Henin-Hardenne topspinning shots will take that extra tenth of second to get there that Hingis needs to play her game instead of just retrieving. And Henin-Hardenne's slice doesn't have enough bite to trouble a player as short and as deft as Hingis.
Yep. I agree. Hingis in two tight sets.

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I think it will be Justine's power and angles that will defeat Hingis. Hingis in her prime was so crafty and tricky that it'll be harder to defeat her with sheer power alone, but I think the fact that Justine's angles are quite sharp (especially with her backhand) will be more difficult for Martina to deal with. Martina was never that quick - atleast not as quick as Justine is. A very strong and flat back hand with a sharp cross court, down the line, or inside out angle will get Martina off balance which will end up a winner or set up an opportunity for a winner.
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I think Hingis would win. No disrespect for Justine, she's a wonderful player...but Hingis in her prime was amazing to watch. (and despite what some think, she did have a good serve. As she lost confidence, her serve got worse)
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I think Hingis would win. No disrespect for Justine, she's a wonderful player...but Hingis in her prime was amazing to watch. (and despite what some think, she did have a good serve. As she lost confidence, her serve got worse)
Good point. Most people only remember the latter bit of Hingis' career. They remember her worst serves, Hingis had a descent serve and it was only when compared to a serve like Serena's that it looked pretty ordinary and that was in the 2001/2 when serena had perfected hers.
She had some power, spin and placement on her serve and thats how she won about 40 titles. The serve was probably the weakest part of her game but that doesn't mean it was a bad serve.
As to who would win, it is all academic. It is one thing to have game but it is another to be able to execute it, depends on what your opponent allows you to do. Quite frankly we will never know simply because in tennis if A beats B and B beats C, it doesn't follow that A will beat C automatically.
Hingis at her best could handle just about anyone.
Question is, what does Justine have to offer that Hingis hasn't seen. If it is finesse, she was a master at it, if it is power, at her best she could deal with it. Maybe if they played ten times they might just tie or have 6/4 H2H in either one's favour.
Hingis was said to be a great clay courter but she never won the FO, Justine did. At the USO, give hingis the edge.

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