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Wertheim: Kimīs third-best at best.

This is what Wertheim had to say about Kimīs no.1 rank:

If Kim Clijsters regains her No.1 ranking by the end of the year, do you think she'd deserve the WTA Player of the Year award? --Rajendra Parihar, New Delhi, India

Rankings be damned, even if Clijsters defends her title in L.A. at the Bank of America Tour Championships in November (and thus, almost assuredly, finishes as No. 1) she's still the third-place finisher in Player-of-the-Year honors behind Henin-Hardenne and Serena, in that order. Yes, Williams Nation, you read right. I agree that, in a vacuum, Serena is the superior player. But let's be objective: JH-H won more titles, just as many Slams, played many more events and had a superior head-to-head record.

Judging from your mail, however, there's way too much hostility toward Clijsters. Sure she loads up on events and her ranking is largely a result of her expertly playing the numbers game. But these players can't win. When the Williams sisters play a sparse schedule they stand accused of disrespecting the sport. When Clijsters (to the delight of the tour and its promoters) plays early and often, she gets ripped trying to beat the system. Is it embarrassing that Clijsters may well finish 2003 ranked No.1 , albeit without winning a Slam? (By the way, it could be the second time in three years that the WTA's year-end No. 1 has been Slam-less.) You bet. But blame the ranking system. Not the beneficiary.

Dang! So much for being no.1!!

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such a ture statement. the funnie thing is, when lindsay did it, she stated she wasn't deserving of number 1 at all. funnie thing is, kim thinks she is deserving

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why don't you work your ass off and win nine titles and then u can tell the reporters you aren't the best..... she contended for every title, made almost every final... lindsay was only #1 bc venus only played 10 events, and jennifer sucked badly after wimbledon.
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why don't you work your ass off and win nine titles and then u can tell the reporters you aren't the best..... she contended for every title, made almost every final... lindsay was only #1 bc venus only played 10 events, and jennifer sucked badly after wimbledon.
contend?! Her two slam-finals she got bageled and bradsticked....not really contending imo.

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(By the way, it could be the second time in three years that the WTA's year-end No. 1 has been Slam-less.)
More like third in four years.
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More like third in four years.
yeah...Martina in ī00 too....so only ī02 gave a true reflection of who really was Mama!!

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uhhh last time i checked, making the final makes u pretty damn good contender...
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uhhh last time i checked, making the final makes u pretty damn good contender...
sure,sure....but the PLAY in those finals was NOWHERE near the caliber of a no.1 player

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that's 1 match after a string of six... everyone has bad days...
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that's 1 match after a string of six... everyone has bad days...
Of course...foolish of me to forget that! Too bad they all happen at the slams...put her at a tier III and she can win it easily. Put her against the elite at slam and she barely wins games.

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I hope Kim does not end up as # 1 at the end of the year. If she does, I damn sure hope that she wins the YEC to get there.

This is not coz I dislike Kim. Quite the contrary, I like her a lot. She's an exciting player, seems like a nice person, is very consistent and can get wins over just about anyone. But it does look a bit bad when the end-of-year # 1 got there without a really big win and with someone seeming to have the edge over her head-to-head.

Still, if she does end up as # 1 at year end she'll have had a remarkable year in her way. I hope she doesn't cop too much flak for it. If she manages to win the YEC again it will give her more of a claim to be the "real" # 1.

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I hope Kim does not end up as # 1 at the end of the year. If she does, I damn sure hope that she wins the YEC to get there.

This is not coz I dislike Kim. Quite the contrary, I like her a lot. She's an exciting player, seems like a nice person, is very consistent and can get wins over just about anyone. But it does look a bit bad when the end-of-year # 1 got there without a really big win and with someone seeming to have the edge over her head-to-head.

Still, if she does end up as # 1 at year end she'll have had a remarkable year in her way. I hope she doesn't cop too much flak for it. If she manages to win the YEC again it will give her more of a claim to be the "real" # 1.
Considering her play at the big tournaments lately.....wouldnīt bet on that.

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I'll be rooting for Momo and Juju in that order at the YEC.

I take your point, bandabou, but if Kim does win by some chance, in a round robin against all the best players who are actually playing, it will make it a lot harder for us to say she is not deserving of #1. It will mean that her recent head-to-head against the those players is phenomenal, with the recent victory against Justine counted in.

I can't see it happening though.

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I meant Kim...

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