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More proof the season is too long

Of the fall tier 1 and 2 tournaments, only Filderstadt and Zurich have boasted really strong lineups. Many of the fields have looked like tier 3's.

It's unfair to the promoters and fans to keep having tournaments without top players. I personally think the WTA Championships should come a couple weeks after the US Open, but that is never going to happen.

So here's a more realistic fall schedule (I've only listed tier 1's and 2's)
9/15-Shanghai
9/22-Filderstadt
9/29-Moscow
10/6-Zurich
10/13-BYE
10/20-WTA Championships


I think the lineups at these tournaments would be stronger and the extra two weeks would be nice for the players.
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Sorry, but it's not a 10-players-tour.
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Sorry, but it's not a 10-players-tour.
Thanks for reminding people of that.
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The only way to shorten the season is to cut tournaments or to schedule 3 tournaments a week every week.

I think the whole sport of tennis would benefit from a shorter year. There is only a very small minority of fans who even watch tennis all year long. Even golf events with Tiger Woods get lower ratings later in the year, once football starts.
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Sorry, but it's not a 10-players-tour.
Well, I agree with you there, but the point of Tier 1 and Tier 2 events is to feature a certain number of top 10 and top 20 players. If they are consistently putting together tier 1's and 2's that look like tier3's, it's bad for the WTA as a business.

But that what sports like tennis and golf get when they have such a long season. Instead of having a longer off-season, and increasing the quality of the lineups, they go for this 10-11 month format, where players must constantly schedule in there own breaks.

Basically, Shanghai and Linz have Tier 3 lineups now and Philadelphia could wind up having one as well. Then factor in the summer hardcourt tournaments and its been pretty disapointing.
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Who cares if the current top10ers aren't playing. If they don't play, they won't be top10ers anymore and we'll have different, more willing top10ers

Nobody has to play during the fall if they don't want to. But shortening the fantastic Euro Indoor Season just isn't right, because there are still many players willing to play. It would be unfair
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Sorry, but it's not a 10-players-tour.
Damn. Now I'll have to rework that "Minimum 10 Divisor" ranking system I was working on.

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
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Sorry, but it's not a 10-players-tour.
You're right, it's a 1-player tour and she's injured.

The season should have ended after the French open.
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It's not the tour's problem that these players keep getting injured. Why should the tour make itself bigger or smaller to accomodate the players, when the players SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH BRAINS to work out a schedule for themselves in which they wouldn't get tired out for the big events.

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Exactly, Sam. Exactly.

As for shortening the season, it doesn't seem to occur to some people that the tennis fans in the cities where tournaments are no longer played would have a genuine gripe.

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There is only a very small minority of fans who even watch tennis all year long.
And yet somehow, you find yourself in the middle of a [very large] group of such fans and still feel the need to complain about the tournament schedule.

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This is like the third thread you've started on this same topic. You're WRONG. The players are indeed more than capable of scheduling their own breaks during the year and pacing themselves to avoid inujury and burnout - they don't need people like you telling them what their schedule ought to be. If they mess it up, guess what? Other players will take their place. The season has already been shortened by three weeks from what it used to be and now it's really at a pretty good balance. The indoor season is lucrative (i.e. PROVIDES JOBS for a lot of players) and features popular tournaments. These tournaments are not going to go away just to please your "shorten the season" agenda.
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I know that I am in the minority on this message board for wanting a shorter season. But the fans on message boards make up only a very small percent of all tennis fans. There are millions of people around the world who watch tennis and only a few thousand diehard fans who post on message boards.

I am only going by what so may players (Jennifer, Andre, Monica, Lindsay, Venus, Marat, Roger, Carlos, etc) have said. All of those players and plenty others have complained the year is too long.

If the season isn't too long, then why are Tennis Australia and the Grand Slam Committee trying to convince the tours to end the season earlier? And why is Juan Carlos Fererro threatening to sit out the Australian Open next year? And why are ratings and attendance for tennis dipping in most parts of the world?

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This is like the third thread you've started on this same topic. You're WRONG. The players are indeed more than capable of scheduling their own breaks during the year and pacing themselves to avoid inujury and burnout - they don't need people like you telling them what their schedule ought to be. If they mess it up, guess what? Other players will take their place. The season has already been shortened by three weeks from what it used to be and now it's really at a pretty good balance. The indoor season is lucrative (i.e. PROVIDES JOBS for a lot of players) and features popular tournaments. These tournaments are not going to go away just to please your "shorten the season" agenda.
Yes, players can and do schedule there own breaks during the year. But the players aren't resting and recovering during those breaks even if the breaks are 4 weeks long. They are training for the next tournament. If a player takes three weeks off after the Australian Open, they are training for their next tournament.

This is what Monica said about this:

"I think the sport has way too many tournaments and we have no off-season. It's very hard to ask players to do other stuff when you don't have a week off. Literally, you're always training. I think the Tour will have to look at that and make it like every other sport, from basketball to baseball and football, that has an off-season. That way you can ask the top stars to do a lot more in the long-run."

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I am only going by what so may players (Jennifer, Andre, Monica, Lindsay, Venus, Marat, Roger, Carlos, etc) have said. All of those players and plenty others have complained the year is too long.
I'd take the players more seriously if they didn't all rush off to play in lucrative exhibitions around the world the minute the tour ended, in the middle of their supposedly precious off season.
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