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Anyone here hate Pierce or Dockic...

Because of thier dads?

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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As much as I hate Alexandra Stevenson because of her mother.
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I think people have mostly felt sorry for Mary because her Dad's bs was mostly directed at her - but I do think Jelena caught a lot of hate because of her father (more from the Aussies, I think. she hasn't gotten as much attention in general from the US)

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Who knows, everything is possible, some people dislike Justine for her hand.
I like justine's game, but dont like her as a player because she's proven herself not to be above gamesmanship, and a liar

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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Who is Dockic?
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There are, as Griffin points out, two distinct kinds of bad tennis parent. One type abuses (and that is kind of a catch all term) their own child. In this group, one might lump Jim Pierce and most certainly Lucic's father, whatever his name is. In the case of Lucic's father, we are apparently talking actual physical abuse. The others probably subjected their kids only to verbal abuse and manipulation.

Then there is the kind of parent who does things harmful to tennis or disrespectfull to their daughters opponents.

In that category you would include Dokic's father and quite possible Richard Williams. There is no record either man abused their own kids, just behaved badly in public.

There are other tennis parents, and Melanie Molitor might even be one of them, who perhaps pushed their kids too hard or made too much of tennis.

That's harder obviously to quantify, although certainly, that was Capriati's complaint for awhile about her father. Hingis never made any such claims about Melanie and has always defended her completely, saying only that her mother was "more ambitious" than she herself was. But they remain close to this very day and were apparently seen looking very warm and friendly together at the Swisscom.

Anyway, you may have other ideas and I am certainly we would love to hear them.

But to answer your questions, no, I don't hate any player because of what a parent has done.
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I love Dokic and Pierce

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I really hate Mary and Jelena 's fathers. They are really awful persons. But I like Mary and Jelena. They are very kind.


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I like all of the players mentioned in TonyP's post.

Lucic, Dokic,Pierce, Venus, Serena, Martina and Jennifer, and I have no reason not to like Alex.

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




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...I was hoping DA FOREHAND and DA BACKHAND were going to get into an argument there...that would be really confusing...anyway...to answer the question...no...can't see what Melanie Molitor has to do with it...she seems to be the perfect example of a good tennis parent to me...
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I really don't know any reason to hate Alex, either. In person she is a very sweet young woman.

At times, I even wonder if we are too hard on tennis parents. Most of the people mentioned in this thread did NOT come from wealthy backgrounds or even upper middle class backgrounds.

Tennis, for all of them, was their ticket to success. Who is to say where a Martina Hingis or a Venus Williams or a Jennifer Capriati would be today if they were not all amazing athletes?

They would have all probably finished high school and maybe or maybe not gone on to college, providiing there was any money to go to college on.

So their parents in some ways just did the best they could to help them live a better life, through a sport they could play well.

But that is not to say that some parents don't push their kids too hard or even make the wrong choices for them. Remember, Jennifer was once heard screaming at her father that he treated her like a cash machine, setting her up over and over again to play in lucrative exhibition matches that didn't mean squat in any other way.

So, these parents do at times probably make mistakes, just as stage mothers do for kids in show business. And sometimes, the mother or father may be living through their kids, carrying out their dreams of sports glory that are not necessarily the kids' dream, or at least, not as much of a dream.

But it is a difficult job. How much do you make your kid play tennis? How much do you make your kid practice the piano if he or she could be a talented pianist? How much of their childhood should they be willing to give up to have a short, but potentially profitable tennis career?

There is also, incidentally, always the problem of the parents waltzing off with the kids' money. There are lots of show biz stories about that kind of thing happening, but so far, I don't know of any tennis stories along that line, but eventually, I will bet that one turns up.

Lastly, about Melanie. As I said, I have followed Martina's career closely and never heard her say one word negative about her mother. She also implied that anything that went wrong in her game was purely her own fault.

Some, of course, blame too much early play for the foot and ankle problems that ended Martina's career and its hard to know if that was the problem or not. Certainly, we know Martina played an aweful lot of tennis, years of both singles and doubles and perhaps her body did just plain give out, with a little help from bad shoes.

But in general, Melanie has been a great parent, although apparently a hard task master.

Of course, the results were spectacular and Hingis today is living the good life and she owes that all to tennis and to no small extent, to her tennis mother.
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I dont like Pierce at all, but nothing to do with her Dad. I just dont like her. Dokic is ok now that she's got rid of her dad, didnt used to like her before.

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How can anyone hate Mary Pierce? She is awesome.. and I don't hate Jelena.. I think she sucks right now,.. but i don't hate her.. and can we really hate players because of their parents?? I mean if they act like there parents yeah.. or go along with it.. like Jelena in Australia... but Mary's dad being an ass was all put on her.. so how could youe ver hate Mary

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So if Jennifer "got rid of her dad" you'd like her more?

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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