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Myskina the best Russian (by a lot)

That wasn't my opinion at first, but the numbers all favor her.

She's top ten

She's only 114 points behaind the top ranked Russian, who had played four more turnaments.

She won a Tier I this year

She has six WTA singles titles, including four this year. The next closest Russian only has three-for-career.

She's only 22.

An 8-4 record in 2003 vs other Russinas

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Sydney          32 L Elena BOVINA        (RUS) 3-6 5-7   
Doha            QF W Dinara SAFINA       (RUS) 6-2 7-5   
Doha            FR W Elena LIKHOVTSEVA   (RUS) 6-3 6-1   
Dubai           32 W Dinara SAFINA       (RUS) 6-4 6-3   
Indian Wells    64 L Svetlana KUZNETSOVA (RUS) 4-6 7-6(7) 3-6   
Sarasota        16 W Nadia PETROVA       (RUS) 5-7 6-4 1-0 Retired  
Sarasota        QF W Elena DEMENTIEVA    (RUS) 6-2 3-6 6-1   
Berlin          32 L Vera ZVONAREVA      (RUS) 1-6 2-6   
Rome            16 W Svetlana KUZNETSOVA (RUS) 6-4 7-5        
French Open    128 W Dinara SAFINA       (RUS) 6-2 6-2   
Canadian Open   16 L Elena DEMENTIEVA    (RUS) 6-2 1-6 1-6   
Leipzig         QF W Nadia PETROVA       (RUS) 6-7(5) 6-1 6-1

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Whippee DOOO!

I still don't like her for what she said in last years Austrialian Open. I guess I'll forgive her when one of the sistahs get a hold of her. Till then she's on my shit list.
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Whippee DOOO!

I still don't like her for what she said in last years Austrialian Open.
What did she say? And was it after a loss? Players say stupid things after losses.

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What did she say? And was it after a loss? Players say stupid things after losses.
I assume Ballbuster is referring to THIS year's Aus Open, as Nastya didn't get too much time to say anything at the 2002 Aus Open. I also assume he's referring to Nastya's comments following her QF loss to Clijsters that "Kim is playing like the best player in the world right now", or something along those lines (given Serena's performance vs Loit and Kim's destruction of all in her path that year so far, it wasn't a hugely implausible statement in any case).

Venus once said after playing (and beating) Nastya (at one of the green clay tournaments in 2002, I believe) that "at times, it was like playing the world No 1 out there"
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Nastya , I hope she has a great week in Filderstadt.


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That wasn't my opinion at first, but the numbers all favor her.

She's top ten

She's only 114 points behaind the top ranked Russian, who had played four more turnaments.

She won a Tier I this year

She has six WTA singles titles, including four this year. The next closest Russian only has three-for-career.

She's only 22.

An 8-4 record in 2003 vs other Russinas

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Sydney          32 L Elena BOVINA        (RUS) 3-6 5-7   
Doha            QF W Dinara SAFINA       (RUS) 6-2 7-5   
Doha            FR W Elena LIKHOVTSEVA   (RUS) 6-3 6-1 
  
Dubai           32 W Dinara SAFINA       (RUS) 6-4 6-3   
Indian Wells    64 L Svetlana KUZNETSOVA (RUS) 4-6 7-6(7) 3-6   
Sarasota        16 W Nadia PETROVA       (RUS) 5-7 6-4 1-0 Retired  
Sarasota        QF W Elena DEMENTIEVA    (RUS) 6-2 3-6 6-1   
Berlin          32 L Vera ZVONAREVA      (RUS) 1-6 2-6   
Rome            16 W Svetlana KUZNETSOVA (RUS) 6-4 7-5        
French Open    128 W Dinara SAFINA       (RUS) 6-2 6-2   
Canadian Open   16 L Elena DEMENTIEVA    (RUS) 6-2 1-6 1-6   
Leipzig         QF W Nadia PETROVA       (RUS) 6-7(5) 6-1 6-1
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She won over Lina in straight sets in Leipzig as well.
But I have to agree with all the points you make, Nastya the Russian no.1
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I like this girl, but NOBODY will replace Elena Dementieva.
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I agree Iroda_fan... Elena get's that serve in gear and she will do some serious damage in the top 10.. She is by far the top Russian.. Anna Kournikova was good for one thing and one thing only.. Giving other good Russians the courage to play!

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The statistics don't lie, and yes Myskina has had a great year, but the question is, is this the peak of her potential?

Elena definitely has more wins over the elite players, has had good success in the higher tier tournaments, etc. and had a chance to hit a career high (and Russian high for ladies) No. 6 last week (and she can still do it), won her 1st tournament defeating the TOP players, has a silver medal, has reached the SFs of a GS, etc.

We look at how many events Elena played, but how many points did she actually gain from them. She lost 1st round AO, FO and Miami (3 VERY big events) and numerous other 1st round losses as well.

Dementieva has just got used to the title winning habit, now its a case of maintaining that sort of form.

The only reason why Elena hasn't got all the titles Myskina has is because she was mentally weaker before, with confidence under her belt it'll be good to see what Elena achieves. I'm looking for those stats to change in 2004.

I really am happy for Myskina, but she wins a weak Tier I and all of a sudden she is the best Russian. I've always maintained that Anna K and Elena D were the best Russians, at least one of them is starting to live upto the promise.

Good luck Elena, prove yourself to be Russian No. 1!!!
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I've never been the greatest believer in statistics but I have to concede that my lack of faith in Myskina's abilities has been severely tested in the last few weeks .

She's done exceptionally well recently but she needs to build on it otherwise I can see the other Russians catching up with her fast.
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Right now Myskina is the best Russina. But Dementieva is close behind!

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I've never been the greatest believer in statistics but I have to concede that my lack of faith in Myskina's abilities has been severely tested in the last few weeks .
I completely agree, I'm really shocked at how she hasn't fallen but I'm happy for her because her comments always crack me up, shes always saying how shes thinking of quitting or how she was thinking of how angry her boyfriend was going to be so she started playing better or how she loses at "stupid" but knows the other players must cheat.

At first I was worried about her but now I think she has a great dry sense of humour. I wish we could see more of her matches on North American TV!
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Elena definitely has more wins over the elite players
Come one now, you are making it sound as if Nastya has never beaten any top player before Leipzig this year, she's beaten Clijsters and Henin each a couple of times now!!
And yes the statistics, don't lie. Nastya has won more tournaments than Elena and more important ones, that's fact.
I like Elena, but there's no way you can deny Nastya's success, she's proven more so far and should be considered the Russian No.1
But why put the Russian girls head to head like this anyway. let's just keep our fingers crossed for them against France in fed cup, this is more important to both Nastya/Lena I'm sure.
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I agree. I view the Russians as one group who are pushing each other.
And creating extra competition for each other.
When Dementieva won two straight tournaments, Myskina picked her game up.
And there are plenty others with a lot of room for improvement.

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Elena definitely has more wins over the elite players and has had good success in the higher tier tournaments
Right, and WHO won Moscow again? Refresh my memory.

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and had a chance to hit a career high (and Russian high for ladies)
She didn't do it, so why should it matter? Anna K had a chance to win a tournament (many, actually), and she didn't do it. No one is saying "she had a chance to win a tournament".

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won her 1st tournament defeating the TOP players
Well, it also took her 5 years to do it. Nastya did it much quicker. That is unfair.

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Has reached the SFs of a GS, etc.
When Nastya gets a piss-easy draw like that and doesn't make the semi-finals, then gimme a call. And since that time over 3 years ago, Elena has failed to make it past the fourth round of a slam.

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We look at how many events Elena played, but how many points did she actually gain from them. She lost 1st round AO, FO and Miami (3 VERY big events) and numerous other 1st round losses as well.
So all of a sudden losing early in those tournaments is a good thing? Just because she got more points in other events? No, I don't think so. The best Russian isn't supposed to lose in the first round of three of the biggest tournaments of the year. You're basically taking away Elena's worst three tournaments of the year and saying well now she has as many tournaments as Nastya so it's okay. No, it doesn't work like that.

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The only reason why Elena hasn't got all the titles Myskina has is because she was mentally weaker before, with confidence under her belt it'll be good to see what Elena achieves. I'm looking for those stats to change in 2004.
Ok, I'll give you that, before this year Elena was mentally weaker, sure. But let's take a look at how many titles each has in 2003

Dementieva 3
Myskina 4 Whadda know?

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I really am happy for Myskina, but she wins a weak Tier I and all of a sudden she is the best Russian. I've always maintained that Anna K and Elena D were the best Russians, at least one of them is starting to live upto the promise.
Excuse me, but if Elena had won that "weak Tier I" you would've been kissing her ass and you know it. It's a Tier I and that's it. Elena couldn't beat Momo and Nastya could. It's not a case of Nastya becoming the "best Russian", but people finally realizing it. She has taken so much shit on this board; she's incredibly underrated.

The only reason people considered Elena the best Russian is because they have short-term memories and are fair-weather fans. Just because Alyona's had a few good tournaments this year doesn't automatically mean she is the best.


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