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Is power more important than natural ability?

Well we all know that Martina Hingis was more talented than all the players out there today yet the power girls really did beat her most of the time. I know u gotta have a certain amount of ability but it seems that power is MORE important. What d'ya think?

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I think now with the likes of Henin on the tour, power and natural ability is the most potent force. People like Schnyder when playing well can beat the top players with clever shots and slice, however to do it consistantly is something which players will find hard.

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Don't know if it's more important but it became a big factor in women's game...still being powerfull isn't enough, you must be consistant and have a minimum fitness to go with it and also have some own game...

power is nothing without control anyway...

as for Hingis, I really think she didn't take enough advantage from her natural abilities...she could have been much more active net player than she was...
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No, I don't think power is more important, but when power is mixed with talent, ability, and court craft, it's a dangerous combination. A player like Hingis just needs to be supremely fit if they want to compete with the bigger hitters.
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Well we all know that Martina Hingis was more talented than all the players out there today.
Actually, no. Absent a much more specific definition 'talent' than you've provided, I have to conclude that Martina Hingis, for the most part, was losing to more talented players. It took those players quite a while to figure how to marshall their talents to beat Martina, but 'talent' was what they used. If you want to say Martina had better court vision than most, that's fine. But 'talent' covers all non-emotional, non-mental focus things that go into making a successful tennis player.

Failing that, I could argue that I'M more talented than Serena Williams, buit she over powers me.

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Actually, no. Absent a much more specific definition 'talent' than you've provided, I have to conclude that Martina Hingis, for the most part, was losing to more talented players. It took those players quite a while to figure how to marshall their talents to beat Martina, but 'talent' was what they used. If you want to say Martina had better court vision than most, that's fine. But 'talent' covers all non-emotional, non-mental focus things that go into making a successful tennis player.

Failing that, I could argue that I'M more talented than Serena Williams, buit she over powers me.
If we assumed that Hingis was more talented than all the power players, it doesn't make a difference how talented you are if you can't use it on the court. Juju can hit great driving backhands, but for instance Venus doesn't give Juju the time to set up for her shots resulting in a poorer shot from Juju's backhand. So all the talent a player has can be wasted if they can't use it on the court. Also, power players get a bad rap as not being skillful or smart players, but to hit with power and be able to control it and place it well takes more skill than if Hingis takes the pace off of it and hits an angle. The power does allow to hit safer shots, but still get good results. To me, it's smarter to add pace to your shot, but aim further inside the court.
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Mirjana Lucic is probably the most powerful player still.

That answers your question.
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If we assumed that Hingis was more talented than all the power players, it doesn't make a difference how talented you are if you can't use it on the court. Juju can hit great driving backhands, but for instance Venus doesn't give Juju the time to set up for her shots resulting in a poorer shot from Juju's backhand. So all the talent a player has can be wasted if they can't use it on the court. Also, power players get a bad rap as not being skillful or smart players, but to hit with power and be able to control it and place it well takes more skill than if Hingis takes the pace off of it and hits an angle. The power does allow to hit safer shots, but still get good results. To me, it's smarter to add pace to your shot, but aim further inside the court.

What Venus was able to do was to "nullify" the effectiveness of Justine's backhand shot, thus enabling her to hit winners off the ineffective shots. The fact that Venus used nullification during the match to effect winners against players shows an aptitude that can only be interpreted as smarts. That intangible that people often say she lacks...!!!
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What Venus was able to do was to "nullify" the effectiveness of Justine's backhand shot, thus enabling her to hit winners off the ineffective shots. The fact that Venus used nullification during the match to effect winners against players shows an aptitude that can only be interpreted as smarts. That intangible that people often say she lacks...!!!
One article I remember said Venus "melted" what is supposed to be the best backhand in the women's game. I wish I could find that article. You wouldn't happen to know where I could find it do you persond??
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Sorry, Knizzle. I have no idea. But, please let me know should you find it; should be an interesting read...!!!
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I don't think power is more important than natural ability but I think that the Hingis case shows you can't be at the top of the women's game without it these days.
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Sorry, Knizzle. I have no idea. But, please let me know should you find it; should be an interesting read...!!!
Here it is, this is only part of it because it's a long article:

At the start of the first Centre Court semifinal, it looked like a big upset might be brewing.

Henin, eight inches shorter than her 6-foot-1 opponent, broke serve in the opening game when Venus sent a forehand half-volley wide and dumped a backhand into the net.

The Belgian went up 2-0 by holding serve in an 11-minute epic of a game ["By then I was nice and warmed up," Venus said]. There were six deuces and two saved break points, one with a drop shot and the other with a volley on a sequence that ended with both players at the net.

At that juncture, it was as though Venus said to herself, "OK, enough kidding around."

Starting at deuce in the next game, she smacked a forehand winner down the line and delivered a service winner at 115 mph to open a run of 12 straight points to go ahead 3-2.

That began a streak in which Venus won 10 of 11 games. Most impressively, she repeatedly melted Henin's trademark backhand - the best in the women's game -- into another average stroke.

Venus had 10 winners from the baseline and an unusually high-for-her 11 at the net. She's won 20 straight matches at Wimbledon and one more would make her the first woman with three consecutive titles since Steffi Graf in 1991-93.

"She was too strong, too good," said Henin, who lost the 2001 final in three sets. "She didn't make a lot of mistakes. She didn't let me play. She was so aggressive, so powerful. 'What could I do?"
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