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Grand Slam Hypothetical...

So if starting in 2004 all the top twenty players on the wta tour decide to boycott all the grandslams for lets say more prize money than the men then Alexandra Stevenson won each of the grandslams for a career slam for the year would you consider her achievement legitimate or not?

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It would be a miracle.
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it is like argueing whether GS won during the professional era were valid.

and the answer is yes. but of course it isnt fair

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I doubt she'd still win EVEN one GS
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Alex's problem is not the top 20 players....it's her first round matchup that usually does her in at the slams.
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People youre not answering the question. If she won each of the grandslams while the other top players were out protesting and boycotting would you consider her grandslam circumspect or not?

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I dont think the point is Alex, you can substitute that name for ay other low ranked player.
The question is whether it would still be legitimate. I think it wouldnt be considered as great an achievement as winning with a full draw by people of today, but in 50 years not many people will know and will just see her name next to all those Grand Slams and think she was great.
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My feeling is, you beat whoever shows up and you are the champion. It's not the player's fault that the tope 20 or whatever didn't show. You can only play who is in the draw.
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1973 Wimbledon - there was a boycott by most of the leading men and Jan Kodes ended up the champion. I have no idea which of the leading men pulled out, or how much of a player Kodes was before and after, but what I do know is that Jan Kodes = former Wimbledon champion. Maybe at the time it wouldn't have been seen as a 'legitimate' win, but thirty years on I doubt anyone cares, least of all Kodes.
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Congrats to her for winning the 7 matches she did or however many she would win- however as an achievement it shouldn't be as highly regarded as winning say the 3 slams this year...

Similarly the same way the usopen winners acheivement won't be as highly regarded as the winners of the other 3 slams this year...the two most dominant slam players in the last 3 years are out (venus/serena) and possibly lindsay aswell- thats 3 out of 5 top 5 players....The quality of oposition is less therefore the quality of the result is reduced aswell...
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This is simple, Venus and Serena will not be there,
They were both finalist in FIVE of the last SIX slams.

The 2003 USopen trophy will STILL ba a significant achievement, but I suspect there will be a rather empy feeling to the winner, since she will not win it from the current premier players.

Cybell's senerio is an extreme exageration of the current situation at the US Open.
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hahahaha, can we see Alex win a title before saying she is gonna win all the majors

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So if starting in 2004 all the top twenty players on the wta tour decide to boycott all the grandslams for lets say more prize money than the men then Alexandra Stevenson won each of the grandslams for a career slam for the year would you consider her achievement legitimate or not?
I don't think the comparison is entirely valid. The reason Venus and Serena are not playing is related to their ability as tennis players. They could play, but they won't, because they are not capable of winning. Therefore whoever wins won because they were capable of winning when others were not, which is the same reason anyone wins anything ever. Why Williams fans can't get their heads round the idea that their injuries are as relevant to their ability as tennis players as their serves or their down-the-line backhands is a mystery to me. Steffi could have won more Slams if she hadn't been so injury prone, but she was, so she didn't.
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My feeling is, you beat whoever shows up and you are the champion. It's not the player's fault that the tope 20 or whatever didn't show. You can only play who is in the draw.
I totally agree with this view. If you win, you win don't you!

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Boycotting is different than injury. Injury is unfortunate, but part of the game.

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