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How come fans of players other than the WS don't have confidence in their favorites?

Williams fans receive alot of backlash because we have so much confidence that V and S will win the tournaments they play in, and that they are better than anyone else they step on the court with. Of course Williams fans know that it's possible for Venus and Serena to lose, but they are NOT losers, and they have extreme ability and confidence in themselves so why shouldn't their fans be confident also?? Bottom line is that they don't lose often, so why would their fans doubt their ability to beat the competition at a tournament. They've done it consistently before and there is nothing to stop them from doing it again. Why should the confidence Williams fans have in V and S affect fans of other players?? It seems like the ones who get upset when WS fans expect them to win a tourney believe that the WS will win also and are troubled by the fact that other players don't win as often. If I was a Henin fan and I truly believed no one would beat Henin at a certain tournament, then I would say it. Just because someone thinks that a certain player is going to win a tourney doesn't mean the others are insignificant or don't have a chance.
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You did a fantastic job of picking favourite players. You are a genius. Did you do it before or after Venus was in the 97 US Open Final?

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Because we didn't have the great Richard Williams to instill that confidence in us. Duh!

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You did a fantastic job of picking favourite players. You are a genius. Did you do it before or after Venus was in the 97 US Open Final?
That tourney was the first time I had a chance to see Venus. I am not going to be able to take a liking to a player if I don't see them play. And I liked her before she made the final.
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it's called being realistic.

You are asking, why do fans of other players don't have the same confidence as Venus and Serena fans?

Anyone has to admit Serena is the best player, obviously IF Serena was my favourite I would be very confident in any tournament she played.

My first favourite is Justine and I have a lot of confidence in her, I know she can beat anyone but I also know that most of the times she faces Venus or Serena on hardcourts or grass she is likely to lose, that's not lack of confidence, it's common sense, thinking otherwise would be living in a fantasy world.

I have other favourites, my most recent addition is Lina Krasnoroutskaya (and not because she beat Clijsters but because I like her game and also, I met her in practices and she is the sweetest girl in the tour), what would I expect of Lina? she is young, has potential but still needs to work in many things, would I hope her to win every time? yes, would I expect it? no, at least not for now.

Barbara Schett, everyone knows she isn't having good results, I believe she can do a lot better than she's been doing and that she is better than many players ranked above her, but in her current form I am just happy when she wins matches, would I expect her to win the US Open to show the "same confidence in my favourites as Williams fans"?

I am sure many fans have chosen their favourites for reasons other than their tennis (looks, personality, nationality, race, sexual orientation or whatever), if you like a player let's say because she is beautiful, does it mean that automatically she becomes the best player in the world? How can you be confident in your favourite doing something she isn't capable of?

In the case of Justine, clearly the best player among my favourites, the confidence has been growing in me while she's been showing results. Before San Diego I thought her chances of winning the US Open were nearly zero, and I was being realistic, not less of a fan, just a fan with his feet on the ground. AFTER she won San Diego, and with Serena out and Venus dubious then I started to REALISTICALLY have confidence in her chances, and still, despite her recent results, I know (again, not lack of confidence, just common sense) that she can lose to Clijsters, or Mauresmo, or Davenport, or Capriati or even someone else.

Unless you consider that to be a fan you have to lose all traces of rationality and just blindly believe that your favourite is perfect
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Well,obviously you know the reasons. That's why victory is always sweet when our faves beats Venus or Serena. But some "people" have a problem in that department.

It seems that your concern really is that others do not put the WS on a pedestal like you do.
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it's called being realistic.

You are asking, why do fans of other players don't have the same confidence as Venus and Serena fans?

Anyone has to admit Serena is the best player, obviously IF Serena was my favourite I would be very confident in any tournament she played.

My first favourite is Justine and I have a lot of confidence in her, I know she can beat anyone but I also know that most of the times she faces Venus or Serena on hardcourts or grass she is likely to lose, that's not lack of confidence, it's common sense, thinking otherwise would be living in a fantasy world.

I have other favourites, my most recent addition is Lina Krasnoroutskaya (and not because she beat Clijsters but because I like her game and also, I met her in practices and she is the sweetest girl in the tour), what would I expect of Lina? she is young, has potential but still needs to work in many things, would I hope her to win every time? yes, would I expect it? no, at least not for now.

Barbara Schett, everyone knows she isn't having good results, I believe she can do a lot better than she's been doing and that she is better than many players ranked above her, but in her current form I am just happy when she wins matches, would I expect her to win the US Open to show the "same confidence in my favourites as Williams fans"?

I am sure many fans have chosen their favourites for reasons other than their tennis (looks, personality, nationality, race, sexual orientation or whatever), if you like a player let's say because she is beautiful, does it mean that automatically she becomes the best player in the world? How can you be confident in your favourite doing something she isn't capable of?

In the case of Justine, clearly the best player among my favourites, the confidence has been growing in me while she's been showing results. Before San Diego I thought her chances of winning the US Open were nearly zero, and I was being realistic, not less of a fan, just a fan with his feet on the ground. AFTER she won San Diego, and with Serena out and Venus dubious then I started to REALISTICALLY have confidence in her chances, and still, despite her recent results, I know (again, not lack of confidence, just common sense) that she can lose to Clijsters, or Mauresmo, or Davenport, or Capriati or even someone else.

Unless you consider that to be a fan you have to lose all traces of rationality and just blindly believe that your favourite is perfect
No, a fan shouldn't lose a hold on reality. In the case of WS fans, believing they will win is not unrealistic, nor is it for Henin, Clijsters, Capriati, Mauresmo, etc., because they all have chances, some greater than others, but if a fan truly believes a player is going to win then I don't see anything wrong with stating that they are going to win. None of us know the future so it's sort of childish for others to ask "How do you know Serena is going to win, can you predict the future??" Of course we can't, but we have the belief.
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Well,obviously you know the reasons. That's why victory is always sweet when our faves beats Venus or Serena. But some "people" have a problem in that department.

It seems that your concern really is that others do not put the WS on a pedestal like you do.
I agree with the first part of your statement. I don't have a concern that others don't think as highly of the WS. I could care less, but don't jump on WS fans just because we say and believe the WS are going to win.
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No, a fan shouldn't lose a hold on reality. In the case of WS fans, believing they will win is not unrealistic, nor is it for Henin, Clijsters, Capriati, Mauresmo, etc., because they all have chances, some greater than others, but if a fan truly believes a player is going to win then I don't see anything wrong with stating that they are going to win. None of us know the future so it's sort of childish for others to ask "How do you know Serena is going to win, can you predict the future??" Of course we can't, but we have the belief.

sorry, I mostly replied to the title of the thread than to your post and I read it more carefully after I posted.

to answer your question, I dont' see anything wrong in a fan thinking his/her favourite can win a tournament, I don't like to make predictions myself but I don't see anything wrong in others doing it.

Now, if a fan of Nancy Loeffler Caro thinks she is gonna win the US Open, then that's another matter
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I followed the WILLIAMS since they played at local exhibitions in the L.A. area.

Of course, some fans didn't start following Monica unntil she had won 5-6 slams.

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Would I be wrong if I said the majority of Williams fans are black or from black related backgrounds?
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Would I be wrong if I said the majority of Williams fans are black or from black related backgrounds?
Yes you would.
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I thought I would be right.........
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I thought I would be right.........
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