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Justine's all time record against the Russian is no 28-2 with her losses coming to Dementieva this year and Myskina last year.
2002 Pilot Pen df. by Anastasia Myskina 6-7(2) 2-6
2003 Amelia Island df. by Elena Dementieva 6-3 4-6 5-7

Her all time record in finals is now 12-8
her losses>
2001 Wimbledon df. by Venus Williams 1-6 6-3 0-6
2001 Big Island Championships df. by Sandrine Testud 3-6 0-2* retired
2001 Porsche Tennis Grand Prix df. by Lindsay Davenport 5-7 4-6
2002 Gold Coast df. by Venus Williams 5-7 2-6
2002 Antwerp df. by Venus Williams 3-6 7-5 3-6
2002 Amelia Island df. by Venus Williams 6-2 5-7 6-7(5)
2002 Italian Open df. Serena Williams 6-7(6) 4-6
2003 Ordina Open df. by Kim Clijsters 7-6, 0-3* retired
This year alone it is 6-1
Ordina Open df. by Kim Clijsters 7-6, 0-3* retired
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nice numbers for JuJu she entered this year with a LOSING record in finals, but its nice that she corrected that Justine is only 21, but she's got some huge titles already to her name!
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I honestly think that Justine will become a more successful player than Kim. I mean Justine wins a title first, wins a Tier 1 first, wins a Grand Slam first, and has more tier 1s and has more wins over those who are ranked above her. Kim on the otherhand has the #1 ranking on paper but doesn't play like a number 1.
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and 4 of her losses were against Venus. i want to see a rematch against Venus. 2 of her losses she had to retired because of injuries.

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I honestly think that Justine will become a more successful player than Kim. I mean Justine wins a title first, wins a Tier 1 first, wins a Grand Slam first, and has more tier 1s and has more wins over those who are ranked above her. Kim on the otherhand has the #1 ranking on paper but doesn't play like a number 1.
some very true words! Plus Justine´s a surface where she´s much better than the rest:Clay. Almost her titles all on her clay....whereas Kim´s good on almost all surfaces but she isn´t the best at none of them.

She´s good on clay, but Juju´s better. Kim´s good on hardcourts, but the sisters are MUCH better.....that won´t win you any titles. You have to have surface when you RULE. Like Graf had grass, seles had rebound ace and the sisters have any thing that´s fast: Grass,hardcourts...

So Kim´s best hope may well be rebound ace, but the sisters can play there too...
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and 4 of her losses were against Venus. i want to see a rematch against Venus. 2 of her losses she had to retired because of injuries.
Yep, that would be a rematch.....but I think she hates playing against Venus. Juju and Venus both like the backhand but Venus is more powerful...and Juju hates players who can beat her with a backhand. She´s the only player besides Venus to defeat Serena twice in a final...pretty cool...now if only she could meet Serena on hardcourt to settle that score.
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yea, half of Justine's titles this year were on hard courts so much for being just a clay courter.....
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yea, half of Justine's titles this year were on hard courts so much for being just a clay courter.....
That's actually very interesting.

Justine has three hardcourt tournaments and three clay tournaments won this year. And would have had a grass tournament if she hadn't had to retire
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That's actually very interesting.

Justine has three hardcourt tournaments and three clay tournaments won this year. And would have had a grass tournament if she hadn't had to retire
That's rediculous. Matches need to be completed before calling the outcome.
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That's rediculous. Matches need to be completed before calling the outcome.
So since it wasn't completed, Kim is not the winner either?

I think Justine was in a better position to win that match than Kim. Justine has defeated Kim in 2001 in the very same final. Justine up to that point, had never lost a final to Kim. So I think my assumption is quite accurate
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So since it wasn't completed, Kim is not the winner either?

I think Justine was in a better position to win that match than Kim. Justine has defeated Kim in 2001 in the very same final. Justine up to that point, had never lost a final to Kim. So I think my assumption is quite accurate
I'm not claiming Kim would have won. However Henin barely won the first and was down a break in the second at the time the injury happened. Hardly a sure win...
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I honestly think that Justine will become a more successful player than Kim. I mean Justine wins a title first, wins a Tier 1 first, wins a Grand Slam first, and has more tier 1s and has more wins over those who are ranked above her. Kim on the otherhand has the #1 ranking on paper but doesn't play like a number 1.
Yes but Kim was always one step ahead in the rankings. And Kim was the first to reach the final of a tier II, a tier I and a grand slam. And Kim has won 16 titles, Justine 12. Of course, Justine won a slam but on the other hand, Kim won the WTA championships. Kim is leading in the head-to-head standings: 8-5. It's true that Kim has a bad record against Justine and the Williams this year but on the other hand she hasn't much problems with the rest of the field. Actually, she had no problems at all with the rest, she is probably the player with shortest average match duration. And she did prove already that she can beat the Williams and Justine. At this moment, she has a mental disadvantage against the Williams and Justine but that's something that can chance in an instant. So who will have the best career? I bet on Kim but it could be close.
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I'm not claiming Kim would have won. However Henin barely won the first and was down a break in the second at the time the injury happened. Hardly a sure win...
She was down a break in the first set too and look who won it....
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doesn't matter.........as long as she wins, in this case Justine does that
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