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Has Serena a jumpers' knee ?

In an Belgian newspaper (Het Laatste Nieuws) a doctor (ECC-tournament/Antwerp) said yesterday that he thinks Serena has a jumpers’ knee. If he is right, then it doesn’t look good for Serena. An operation would put her out of action for more than 6 months. A month is way too short a period to heal this kind of injury. He thinks Serena won’t play the US Open.

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Haalt Serena US Open?

Orthopedisch chirurg Marcel Kenis: «Tendinose geneest niet op één maand»

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Vorige week Stanford, gisteren San Diego: Serena Williams moest voor de tweede keer in twee weken forfait geven. Tendinitis in de linkerknie. De vraag rijst of ze wel de US Open haalt, eind augustus al.

Orthopedisch chirurg Marcel Kenis is categorisch: «Genezen binnen die tijdsspanne is onmogelijk.»

Marcel Kenis placht de arts van het ECC-tennistoernooi te zijn. Vertrouwd met tennisspelers dus. Ondertussen ook met basketspelers. En dus ook kniepeesblessures, de achillespees van de basketters. «Wij noemen het jumpers' knee. Eigenlijk geen tendinitis, geen ontsteking, wel tendinose, microscheurtjes in de aanhechtingspezen van de knie, plus mucoïde degeneratie. Zeg maar, slijtage. Een typisch overbelastingsverschijnsel.»

Serena speelt tennis, geen basket, en de Williams' zijn berucht voor hun selectieve optredens. Amper meer dan tien toernooien per jaar. Toch vermoedt dokter Kenis dat de Amerikaanse met dezelfde kwaal zit. «Het is geen typische tennisblessure, maar het wordt in de hand gewerkt door een aantal factoren, die ik bij Serena onderken. Zoals, veel spelen op hardcourt. Zoals, lange benen in verhouding tot de romp. Zoals: een disproportie in de ontwikkeling van de voorste en de achterste spieren.»

operatie of rust

Serena staat inderdaad op een koppel quadriceps als Duitse rijnaken. Is ze dan veroordeeld tot chronisch lijden? «Soms brengt rust soelaas, soms moet er operatief worden ingegrepen. Dat hangt af van persoon tot persoon. Maar in geval van operatie, spreken we meteen over een onbeschikbaarheid van 6 maanden.»

De US Open komt er al over een maand aan? «Op een maand is genezing onmogelijk. Je kan alleen een spuitje geven tegen de pijn. Met het risico dat de pees scheurt. Ik vraag me af welke Amerikaanse arts dat risico wil nemen? Nu is het wel zo dat zwarte atleten door de band een veel hogere pijngrens hebben dan blanke. Maar haar US Open lijkt mij wel behoorlijk in gevaar.»

Serena op de sukkel met de knie, Venus nog herstellend van de buikspieren, met enig cynisme kunnen we stellen dat Onze Meisjes een veelbelovende US Open wacht.
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Damn he's good hasn't met the girl but knows exactly what's wrong with her..... or is it more wishful thinking


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It's still only a presumption, he can't know what the real injury is. Besides, I have to disagree with him when he says Serena's got relatively long legs compared to the length of her upper body. He might be confusing Serena with Venus here. In fact, I have often felt Serena's legs are short in comparison with the length of ther body (don't mean this as criticism as I'm like that myself).

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Well, we won't have to wait too long before we know if he's right...
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Well, I don't know what the article is talking about (for obvious reasons). But, even if Serena has a jumper's knee, how long she is out depends on the severity of the pain she is feeling. For minor cases of Jumpers knee, a weeks rest andmassaging and icing of her legs is enough.
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BAsically he's saying that he doesn't think it's Tendonitis, not an inflammation, but Tendinosis (?) = microtears in the tendons. It's a typical 'overburden' injury.

Sufficient rest can help, sometimes an operation is necessary, it depends.

If she really has Tendinosis, then she can't be healed by the US Open. A doctor could prescribe her painkillers, but if she plays with that injury, she might risk tearing the tendons completely.

Anyway, let's hope this doctor's wrong and it's not this injury.

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Okay, thanks for the summary.
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Um is he her doctor? Did he examine her? Does he have access to her medical records? I am assuming the answer is no. So then how in the hell does he know what is wrong with her and what exactly is the point to this speculation?

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Um is he her doctor? Did he examine her? Does he have access to her medical records? I am assuming the answer is no. So then how in the hell does he know what is wrong with her and what exactly is the point to this speculation?
He is speculating on what it would take for the Belgian girls to win the US Open.
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Maybe Serena's doctor is his lover... hey, ER taught me that doctors love to sleep with doctors.

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He is speculating on what it would take for the Belgian girls to win the US Open.

wow those belgians must be desperate for serena to be taken out of action.

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Um is he her doctor? Did he examine her? Does he have access to her medical records? I am assuming the answer is no. So then how in the hell does he know what is wrong with her and what exactly is the point to this speculation?
I knew that's how you'd react.

For the record, it's common to have experts discuss things that are in the news. After 9/11, we had experts on TV talking about how the buildings probably collapsed. Did they have all the details? No. Did they get to see the wreckage itself? No. But they've still got lots of experience in the field and the video footage to get some idea of what happened. Every time something happens, be it something general, be it in sports, there are experts giving their opinion.

They've got the fill the newspapers with something!

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Speculation like this and like you mentioned is never good. Why? Precisely because they don't have all the facts. If the facts exist then why not use them? Obviously someone has access to those facts why not ask them? What is the point of giving your expert opinion on someones medical condition that you have no access to? Its an excercise in futility.

Just because the same practice is done in other areas does not make it right. How is that a defense?

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As long as it's made clear it's just an opinion, I don't see what's wrong with it.

I've seen several articles here on WTAworld from newspapers where journalists gave their opinion on racism in tennis. There were no quotes from Venus or Serena in there, this journalist had no first hand knowledge, it was just an opinion. I did not see you complain about that person's opinion.

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in my opionion when you have a professional or a so called "expert" on a given area give an opinion it is no longer just a mere opinion. I mean if they just wanted an opinion they would ask anyone. They went to an expert in the field and asked him a question based on the availiable information. However there is no need because she has already been to a doctor who DIAGNOSED HER. A thigh strain isn't that what it was? Why are they speculating on something that was already diagnosed? thats my issue. So you have an uninformed doctor with no access to serena's medical records offering his opinion in contradiction to the the doctor who examined serena and diagnosed her. Do you see my point?

The example you mentioned if regards to racism in tennis is a totally different situation.

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