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WILLIAMS, SERENA 6 6.74%
CLIJSTERS, KIM 24 26.97%
HENIN-HARDENNE, JUSTINE 34 38.20%
WILLIAMS, VENUS 13 14.61%
DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 4 4.49%
MAURESMO, AMELIE 3 3.37%
CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 5 5.62%
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post #1 of 70 (permalink) Old Jul 30th, 2003, 06:50 PM Thread Starter
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Who, in your mind, is currently the 3rd best player?

I'm talking current 3rd best female tennis player, not ranking, just in case someone needs clarification.
Let me go by elimination.

- If Serena is playing anyone and is healthy, I expect her to win. So, in my mind, she's the best player right now.

- If Venus is playing anyone but Serena, and is healthy, I expect her to win. So, in my mind, she's the second best player right now.

- If Clijsters is playing anyone but Serena and Venus, and is healthy, I expect her to win. So, in my mind, she's the third best player right now.

- As for the fourth best, I don't have any solid expectation but Justine does come to mind as well as Davey, Cappy and Momo.

As a side point, when the first and second best don't or can't play due to various reasons including illness, why can't we accept that it behoves the third best to take the helm and be #1?

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Serena, Kim, Justine.
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If I go by your criteria, it's surface dependent.

On clay, Kim is third best (behind Justine and Serena).
On grass, Justine is third best (behind Serena and Venus).
On hard courts and indoors, Kim is third best (behind Serena and Venus).

I'm taking Justine overall, as she has a Slam. Which isn't part of the criteria at all, but eh, it's important.
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1. Serena
2. Kim
3. Justine
4. Venus

why not simply follow the rankings? It's not as if Venus was stabbed or something. This is based on their true talents.
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Look who's trivializing the stabbing now.....shame on you!

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1. Serena
2. Kim
3. Justine
4. Venus

why not simply follow the rankings? It's not as if Venus was stabbed or something. This is based on their true talents.

If it's based on true talent there's no way Venus would be below justine, or Kim.

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For me Kim is 3rd best. #2 has to be Justine(the only other player to win a Slam) and #1 is Serena who owns just about everything except RG.

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If I go by your criteria, it's surface dependent.

On clay, Kim is third best (behind Justine and Serena).
On grass, Justine is third best (behind Serena and Venus).
On hard courts and indoors, Kim is third best (behind Serena and Venus).

I'm taking Justine overall, as she has a Slam. Which isn't part of the criteria at all, but eh, it's important.
In your estimation, you have Kim twice and Justine once. Slam or not, logic (or math) points to Kim, doesn't it?

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In your estimation, you have Kim twice and Justine once. Slam or not, logic (or math) points to Kim, desn't it?
But I also have Justine top in one category, which sort of balances her two 4th places out. And as I said... she's got the Slam. If it wasn't for the clear gap between Venus and Justine on non-clay surfaces (the gap between Kim and Justine is imo fairly small), I'd have her second.
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if they were all to have a throw down, im saying the sisters come out on top then Kim and the other one.

whos had the best year? Serena Justine (the slam) Kim Venus

vs the other three? Serena Venus Kim Justine

i would say Kim is doing better than Venus right now. but Venus has her number

so my educated opinion says Serena Kim Venus Justine *shrug*
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If it's based on true talent there's no way Venus would be below justine, or Kim.
Justine is considered as the biggest talent in tennis these days..may be even in history. Consider only tennistalent and Justine is #1
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yea cos no way the number one player can be talented

id rather she be stupid and doing what she does than "talented" and.....not doing it
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Justine is considered as the biggest talent in tennis these days..may be even in history. Consider only tennistalent and Justine is #1
No, Venus and Serena do things no one else can do. Henin is talented, but her backhand is the only shot that people go gaga over. One handed backhands will always look more beautiful aesthetically than a two-handed backhand.

By the way I think Justine is third best, but this year she has been the second best at winning slams, and beating top players. Kim is #4 because beating the top four these days is a struggle for her. Serena is 1 and Venus is 2.
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1. Serena: duh...
2. Venus: her play against Kim this year gives her the nod.
3. Kim: most consistent and I think she´s better than Justine on surfaces other than clay.
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No, Venus and Serena do things no one else can do. Henin is talented, but her backhand is the only shot that people go gaga over. One handed backhands will always look more beautiful aesthetically than a two-handed backhand.
No can't agree here. Both Martina and Justine have more abbilities than the other players in the circuit today. Serena and Venus were started on power, MArtina and Justine started on pure talent.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that the others aren't talented he! But pure technical Justine and Martina are more gifted BUT that's not enough to be a top-player. That's why Justine is working out that hard!

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No, Venus and Serena do things no one else can do. Henin is talented, but her backhand is the only shot that people go gaga over. One handed backhands will always look more beautiful aesthetically than a two-handed backhand.

By the way I think Justine is third best, but this year she has been the second best at winning slams, and beating top players. Kim is #4 because beating the top four these days is a struggle for her. Serena is 1 and Venus is 2.
The williams sisters have other talents..more on the physical part of tennis imo. Of course they have tennistalent or they wouldn't be topplayers I'm just talking about real tennistalent..the touch of a player, subtility, control over the racket. I think Justine is number 1 on that part

btw I voted Justine third best. I think the ranking is always a good reflexion of the situation at the moment.
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