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Wins over Sisters.....

Hell I know Martina Hingis is the only player that has managed to beat both Venus and Serena in the same tournie. No-one (and probably never will) has ever beaten both Venus and Serena in the same tournie (not counting walkovers) But I was trying to think, over the past couple of years, there hasn't even been that many people winning tournies beating just 1 williams. That is just amazing stat for the sisters. When players do beat them, they have id say a less than 50% chance that they are going to go on and win the tournie.

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ASV, Steffi Graf

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"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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Both before Hingis managed that feat.

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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alot of people propably did when they stunk back then.....
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Its happened only four times in history and only three times legitly. ASV did it, Steffi did it at 99 Sidney, Hingis did it at 01 Oz open and Kim " did" it at last years championships. In fact Hingis is the only one who has beaten both of them at a slam.
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Hingis i believe is propably the only person who could and still can beat the williams sisters she just had this thing where she knew what to do when she played them
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Hingis i believe is propably the only person who could and still can beat the williams sisters she just had this thing where she knew what to do when she played them

Except when she got wallpapered by them the last 5 times they played.
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Please Serena was reg. schooling her, and Venus made up lots of h2h ground in 00/01

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated" - George Bernard Shaw




"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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b-cuz of her ankle if not she would beat them
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I think Venus struggled more with Hingis than Serena did. Serena only once lost to Hingis at a slam, whereas Hingis usually owned Venus at the slams. Serena is a big-match player and she knows where and when to raise her level. Plus Ive seen Serena totally and positively crush Hingis numerous times. Who can forget 00 Montreal final where Serena won the first NINE games before getting injured?! Or the 01 U.S. open semis?!
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I have no idea what your exact point it. As noted by others, four players have beaten both Venus and Serena in the same tournament.

And what, exactly, makes that so special?

Williams fans are always talking about how the sisters should be treated as separate individuals, not lumped together as a group.

We are talking here about singles tennis, not doubles tennis. So a player's record against the sisters should be their record of playing them as individuals, not as a team.

Because, if they're working as a team in singles tennis, something is wrong.

I pointed out some years ago that Hingis and Davenport, back when they were numbers one and two in the world, could have pulled a Williams sister act and simply not played each other except in the grand slams.

But they didn't do that. One year, 2000, they faced each other in five finals, all of them big tournaments, (AO, Indian Wells, Miami, Zurich, Philadelphia.) But had they chosen to use a strategy of not meeting outside the slams, they both probably could have pulled very far ahead in the points race.

That's still my big knock against the Williams sisters, although I am no longer much concerned about them facing each other, because rarely do their meetings produce really good tennis, as the latest Wimbledon encountered once again proved.
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SerenaSlam, you have to learn something! You have to admit and accept losses of your faves.

Everytime when Serena or Venus loses, you're searching for excuses: "oh she was tired", "oh she was injured", "oh blabla"... Only one thing counts, the result, nothing more, nothing less!!!
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"I pointed out some years ago that Hingis and Davenport, back when they were numbers one and two in the world, could have pulled a Williams sister act and simply not played each other except in the grand slams."

Funny thing is they were 1 and 2 for a few years, yet only managed to reach two slam finals against each other 98 US Open, 00 Aus. Open, both won by Davenport.

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"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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I have to agree with the sentiment who cares if someone did or did not beat them in the same tournament. They are not a team in singles. If you beat one or both it is not some special achievement beyond beating two great players in a slam. It is no different than beating any other set of great players. as for scheduling goes would you schedule the same tournament as your sister or brother beyond the grandslams and super tier ones? Thats just stupid.

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Good point, forehand. Lindsay and Hingis were no.1 and no.2 for so long but only two slam finals?! Contrast this to the Williams 6 slam finals already! In fact they play so rarely against each other, but they already have 8 finals ! Imagine if they would play more.....there would only be Williams-Williams finals!
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