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Wertheim on Kim's niceness

A trivial note concerning Kim Clijsters' "niceness": I noticed at the French that when her service game ends on a first-serve point and the players change ends, Clijsters doesn't hit the second ball away to a ballkid -- she walks over and hands it to him or her. I have never seen this before.
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Thanks. We could fill an entire Mailbag with examples of Clijsters' grace and charm. Just too bad those qualities can be antithetical to success in an individual sport.

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Werthiem cant seem to say anything nice without dissing the subject of discussion in the same line

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Kim has only shown to the world that not all tennis players are assholes like Weirthem.

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Madame Oracene Williams could certainly teach the French & Belgian crowds on how to upgrade their respective primitive behaviours during a tennis match.
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Kim's my favorite player. And I have always thought she was too nice. It's good to be nice, but EVERY SECOND OF THE DAY?! Meanie up Kim, meanie up. I think she needs a more fighting, and KILL! KILL! spirit... but I guess she showed that today after Lleyton's loss. She needs to be like that more-- KILL! KILL!

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I don't care if she kills Lleyton first.

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and in Australian Tennis magazine, there was a little comment by Justine that Kim had put up a special drawing in the locker room so that everyone would know/remember to say Happy Birthday to Justine. She's just naturally nice. I hope it doesn't mean she has no killer instinct - she seemed to back at RG 2001!
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I have come to the realisation that Kim lacks the killer instinct when the stakes are highest. Aussie Open and Roland Garros were prime examples. She needs to work on her mentality to get meaner. She will be nice off the court, just like Lindsay who is apparently nice, but used to go on b***h mode when she played high stakes match and came out on top! It did not mean she wasn't nice, but boy was her tennis ruthless!

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We could fill an entire Mailbag with examples of Clijsters' grace and charm. Just too bad those qualities can be antithetical to success in an individual sport.
Rubbish. It is a question of turning on and off. The will ot win must not be confused with agression. If you can stay focused on what you need to do to win while you are playing you have hit a winner.
swedens Olympic skiing champion Thomas Wassberg was the toughest, meanest, most determined man I ever have seen or met in a competition. Privat he was, and still are a very friendly, helpfull gentleman
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Kim claims she puts all that aside when she's on court, then she wants to win. Kim admitted yesterday that she felt a bit guilty about the 6-0 6-0 score because she often plays with Rosanna's daughter.

I'm sure Kim can be as angry as everyone else.

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I totally agree with the last two posts.

And I'll append what I said elsewhere: if she loses a few tournaments because of being too nice, I won't care. In the end, what she'll have won will far outstrip a few lost tennismatches...

If she'd ever became ruthless and unkind, however, I'd go looking for another player to support .
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I totally agree with the last two posts.

And I'll append what I said elsewhere: if she loses a few tournaments because of being too nice, I won't care. In the end, what she'll have won will far outstrip a few lost tennismatches...

If she'd ever became ruthless and unkind, however, I'd go looking for another player to support .
She is ruthless against lesser players. Nobody comes close to Kim at disposing of players (time and games). She almost broke the record of Graf at the beginning of the year for the quickest win. At the end of her career no other player will have have so many quick wins as Kim.

I dont know what the record is for the most double bagles, but I suspect that Kim will have the record at the end of her career.
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She is ruthless against lesser players. Nobody comes close to Kim at disposing of players (time and games). She almost broke the record of Graf at the beginning of the year for the quickest win. At the end of her career no other player will have have so many quick wins as Kim.

I dont know what the record is for the most double bagles, but I suspect that Kim will have the record at the end of her career.
Salima: "The will to win must not be confused with agression"
Beggin' Beguine: "Kim claims she puts all that aside when she's on court, then she wants to win."
Lynx: "I totally agree with the last two posts."

What was being suggested by Wertheim was that being a nice person off court - or being nice to ballkids! - is not compatible with succes in an inividual sport. I refuse to believe that.

I would drop Kim if she would stop being nice off court out of some ruthless ambition. If she would begin badmouthing her opponents, for instance, or treating ballkids like non-persons, or not feeling guilty after beating the mother of the kid she so often plays with - or stop playing with the kid altogether. Then I'd go shopping for another player to support.

But I'm quite confident I'll never have to - not as long as she plays, anyway.
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kim should stay herself and I am not worried anymore about her will after she said yesterday I do anything to win titles so I can't have regrets. that means it's oke. she can't do more and I am sure she would not say it when she didn't mean it

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Kim Clijsters is not my favourite player, but she is the nicest player on tour ever. When she lost to Serena in the semisAO, she just praised Serena's effort and determination, while every other player would start bitching at something and say I lost the match, she didn't win it! In the french final she was also making compliments to Henin's match, when the reality is Henin almost didn't have to do anything to win it.

She has lots of sportmanship she is friends with everyone. Dokic had to withdraw about 5-7times in 2002. 1 of those was against Clijsters, then Dokic started crying because she was hurt and Clijsters just went over there and stood all along supporting Dokic(giving her a few kisses too). Dokic also retired against Capriati, hurt 1more time, and Capriati just had a huge smile like she had won a great match and didn't even care about her opponent 'cause she was too excited to get through(she had lost to Dokic the previous match)
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Huh?

Kim plays with de los Rios' daughter? How old is the girl...and how does Kim have time to be friends with all these people??

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