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View Poll Results: Why did Conchita win Wimbledon and not the French?
It's just luck, no particular reason 7 16.67%
It's because of the draws & opponents she's faced 11 26.19%
Slice backhand helps on grass 14 33.33%
French Open is tougher to win then Wimbledon 2 4.76%
More players know how to play on clay compared to grass 2 4.76%
She has a mental block at the French Open 3 7.14%
Other reason 3 7.14%
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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old Jun 23rd, 2003, 07:44 PM Thread Starter
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Why did Conchita win Wimbledon and not the French?

Afterall, her best surface is clay, she's won countless of tournaments on it. In fact she's a clay court specialist.
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i say there's some mental block. i think she really played with so few expectations on her at wimbledon that she didn't feel over pressured.

in the past on clay, she'd win and do well in the tune-ups, come into the French as 2-4th favourite, reach the semis/quarters, and then feel the pressure. against Steffi/Monica/Arantxa you can't get away with that. you need to play 100% and Conchita never brought her A Game in any match that she ever lost at Roland Garros.

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she won one set in countless matches against the two best clayplayers in the ninties and only in that set the opponent choked so obvious she was not good enough on clay but better on grass

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it's no surprise, though, that she won Wimbledon. she has a sneaky slicey serve, a great slice backhand, a good topspin backhand passing shot, and a strong forehand to hit winners. she also has good touch around the net.

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she did better against steffi at wimbledon 93 then she ever did on clay including that match in 95!

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she won one set in countless matches against the two best clayplayers in the ninties and only in that set the opponent choked so obvious she was not good enough on clay but better on grass
disagree - she's still better on clay, but adapts her game well to grass.

henin and mauresmo are similar - they play well on the natural surfaces (clay/grass) where the bounce is unpredictable - their spins are effective.

for some weird reason ( a rule of sport ) she just couldn't produce her best when the prize presented itself. mental frailty i say, something which accounts for her being so close to the top and the very top players, but usually coming up short

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she did better against steffi at wimbledon 93 then she ever did on clay including that match in 95!
agreed. i think, once again, that she played with freedom at Wimbledon. nobody expected much of her, so she delivered.

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that's maybe true the semi of 96 by example was a match she lost before it started!(you can see that in her eyes)

I think there is another difference too. she owned nav when on clay but she owned her in head to head. she never owned monica, steffi and asv often got bad beatings. I think that made a huge difference the way she started a match

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btw, I voted that it's because of the opponents & draws she's had...

At Wimbledon she didn't have to beat Seles, Graf or Sanchez. She beat Davenport and Navratilova whom she owns. But I haven't checked who are all the players that have beaten her at the French...
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1988 - lost Bettina Fulco 4th round
1989 - lost Steffi Graf QF
1990 - lost Steffi Graf QF
1991 - lost Monica Seles QF
1992 - lost Gabriela Sabatini QF
1993 - lost Anke Huber QF
1994 - lost Arantxa Sanchez Vicario SF
1995 - lost Steffi Graf SF
1996 - lost Steffi Graf SF
1997 - lost Amanda Coetzer 4R
1998 - lost Iva Majoli 4R
1999 - lost Monica Seles QF
2000 - lost Mary Pierce F
2001 - lost Cara Black 3R
2002 - lost Jelena Dokic 2R
2003 - lost Kim Clijsters QF

But she has beaten Cara Black twice at RG, Sanchez-Vicario once, Mary Pierce once, Amanda Coetzer at least once.

Apart from the last couple of years (which make the assessment hard) Conchita nearly always reached the round of her seeding, but failed to make an impression once there. It's not just about opponent. It's a mental thing. People were touting her as a potential champion there back in 1990, and I think it got into her head. Also, the fact that ASV had so much success there meant Conchita had something to prove on the domestic front.

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It's because of the players she faced.

In 1994 Conchita was the third seed I think and rightfully so. There were only two players that were going to beat her - ASV and Steffi, both of whom were defeated by resurgent veterans.

With those two out there was no one even likely to stop her, except maybe Novotna - except she missed ber chance and just gave in to Martina.

Grass may be a tough surface for a baseliner, but Conchita was far from inexperienced at that time.

As for the French - well her best chances of winning were in the nineties. 1993 was perhaps a chance missed but the others were all losses to top quality players.
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It's the slice backhand. Conchita is not your typical clay-court specialist...she has a little more variety in her game, and that's what helps her do well on all surfaces.
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It's because of the players she faced.

In 1994 Conchita was the third seed I think and rightfully so. There were only two players that were going to beat her - ASV and Steffi, both of whom were defeated by resurgent veterans.

With those two out there was no one even likely to stop her, except maybe Novotna - except she missed ber chance and just gave in to Martina.

Grass may be a tough surface for a baseliner, but Conchita was far from inexperienced at that time.

As for the French - well her best chances of winning were in the nineties. 1993 was perhaps a chance missed but the others were all losses to top quality players.
This pretty much sums up my opinion. Also that year, I think there was little rain and the courts were dry and bouncy, helping her more.

She's always been a better claycourt player, but she never got lucky on clay at RG cause there was always someone better than her especially on the latter stages of the tournament.
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It was a lucky draw for sure, did not have to play Arantxa, Graf or Seles.
She indeed played an incredible match in the final, full credit for her, but i just don´t see Conchita beating Graf or Seles at a slam event, even Arantxa.

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Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 9
Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
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i checked 'other' because my reason is that monica seles was not present, AND because her tricky game is hard for people to beat if they have not played her before. she had to work very hard, and it's nice (IMO) that she has a slam... bc shes been around a long time and she won it on her least likely surface which makes it fun.
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