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So, what really happened during the RG semis? Trying to look objectively..

OK, lets look at it, trying to be more or less objective..

In Miami, Serena was stupid enough to follow the Anti-French wave of those days and said something stupid and offensive to the French. Did it
happen? Yes. She did apologise for that later. Could those words of her be partly a reason for what happened? I think, they might.

Some American media explain it as a backlash for booing French players in Miami. Could it be the case? I don't think so. In all other matches of Americans that I saw, there was nothing like that. Even in Rubin-Henin or Venus-Zvonareva. In both matches crowd was cheering against Americans but still well within tennis etiquette.

Strange thing, in this kind of incidents, it's always Serena. In Indian Wells, it was her. Here it was her. I think there is something in her look, maybe some agressiveness and arrogance, that helps getting crowd started.

Could we say that she is at least partly provoked what happened by her actions ( including actions past). Perhaps, yes, and she has to blame herself for that. But was this reaction an appropriate? By no means.

What we have now? We hear people saying that - lets call it "environment" of the match was the main reason of Serena's loss.

Is it true? After watching the tape again, I must say that I am in at least partly in agreement with this sentiment.

That point at 4:2, 30:0.. Was that point critical? Serena lost that point. She had to hit the second serve. her winning percentage on the first serve was significantly higher than winning on the second serve. She won less than 50% on second serve, she won more than 50% on the first serve. If she'd won that point, what would have happened? I think, she would not have lost that game from 40:0, and having 5:2, she would most likely have won the match. So, it is a valid thing to assume that that point alone might have costed her a match.

Was she right to ask for the first serve? I have to give her the benefit of the doubt. I can imagine, that if, while already swinging, I would note by my peripheral vision that my opponent raised the hand, I probably would not be able to hold my hand and I would hit the ball. But would the quality of my serve be affected by the fact that I noticed the raised hand fraction of a second before hitting the ball? Very possibly, yes.

Was Henin wrong not giving Serena the first serve? I think she was.

So, what we have? We have crowd booing Serena at any opportunity, cheering her mistakes, an opponent not behaving sportsman-like, and umpire and linesmen being clearly biased against her - how else can you interpret his consistent unwillingness to check the marks by Serena's request, and after she insisted - her being correct at every singles time, on a couple of occasions by few inches? I am not saying that linesmen were intentionally robbing her of points- but there is every reason to think that they also wanted Henin to win and they followed their wishful thinking in making calls. Was this altogether enough to swing the outcome of an extremely close match? More than enough.

Lets face it, Henin's clay game is probably superior to Serena's clay game, but Serena's champion's mind is superior to anyone's else, and that's what should have won her this match. The "environment" robbed her of that advantage, it rattled her mind. It didn't affect her mechanics - her shots were OK till the very end. What was clearly not OK - was her decisions at shot selection. I've never seen her failing to put away so many very easy balls by playing strange, *strange* shots. Only within last few games she failed to put away a lot of balls hitting them from inside of service line. Each of them could have costed her a match. And those dropshots..

Why they did it in this match, not in a Mauresmo match? Simple, crowd behaviour matters only when it is a very close match.

Was it worse than in IW? Probably not, but again, that time she was on her best surface against much inferior opponent, unlike today.

She has my sympathies today.

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YS- I'm glad you mentioned the chair umpire
for the match. As I said in other posts, I've seen
this guy before in ATP events. He's always giving
bad line calls, and seems to pick on a certain player
on any given day. Some days it's against a German,
another day he's for the seeded player, other days
he's against the seeded player.
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oh who CARES about serena-bigass-williams or justine-bonyass-henin-hardenne? i'm still PISSED my two faves went out in the 4th round, goddamit!

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The umpire wasn't biased IMO, on those two points, it was the umpired the overruled OUT, the two points that Henin approached the net, not very confident in Serena's calls, which of course started the whole thing...

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Thinking of all this, I find it hard to imagine Serena playing Roland Garros next year..

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too bad... but it will be her loss... at this pace, there won't be any tournaments left foe her to go.

remember, other players got worse treatment but came back again and again. so it will be her choice

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remember, other players got worse treatment but came back again and again. so it will be her choice
Any of them ever winning it? All they got was some more negative emotions. I think, should Serena return next year to play IW, there will
be no problem whatsoever. But should she be a contender for a title next year at RG, she'll get the same reception, almost guaranteed.

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I disagree, actually. I think a looooooot of the reaction today had to do with the fact that the crowd wanted someone -- ANYONE -- other than Serena to win a Slam.

Now that this streak is over, I'm pretty sure she'll be fine, unless she comes into RG04 having won the previous three majors. Which is surely possible.

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I disagree, actually. I think a looooooot of the reaction today had to do with the fact that the crowd wanted someone -- ANYONE -- other than Serena to win a Slam.

Now that this streak is over, I'm pretty sure she'll be fine, unless she comes into RG04 having won the previous three majors. Which is surely possible.
If this is true, how come wait until Serena is up 4-2 30-0 in the third with the wild behavior and emphatic boo's towards Serena. Why??

Why not when it's 4-5 in the second so she can close it out in straights??

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Thinking of all this, I find it hard to imagine Serena playing Roland Garros next year..
Serena has more character then all of her fans together..she'll be back and ready to compete for that title.
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serena used my favorite quote yesterday:
"when you try to keep smiling, you are able to work through it."

I am not always good in living after that quote but I 100% agree with it!

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Any of them ever winning it? All they got was some more negative emotions. I think, should Serena return next year to play IW, there will
be no problem whatsoever. But should she be a contender for a title next year at RG, she'll get the same reception, almost guaranteed.
Hmmm maybe she forgot that she was already booed of the court after she won her first round match and celebrating it like she had already won the whole thing. Didn't hear any complains back then.

But yes I have to say that the public was baised and some of the booing or cheering really came at the wrong moment. At the other hand I have to say I've seen worse. As for the umpire I recall at least one overrule infavor to Serena.

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If this is true, how come wait until Serena is up 4-2 30-0 in the third with the wild behavior and emphatic boo's towards Serena. Why??

Why not when it's 4-5 in the second so she can close it out in straights??
Maybe becouse it was only the second set and Juju still would have a chance in the third as beeing in the third the whole thing would be over??
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As for the umpire I recall at least one overrule infavor to Serena.
All of Serena's corrections regarding whether Henin's shots were out were ruled in favor of Serena. The umpire gave her all the points she argued for.
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What really happened is that Justine won. We can look and prod, and poke and squint, but the fact is that the match is over and winner that emerged was Justine.

Serena will be more pumped in Wimbledon.

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