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Let's get the facts straight about that handraising thing, OK ?

1. Yes, Justine raised her hand.
2. Serena didn’t see it, served and missed it, then noticed that Justine was holding her hand up.
3. Serena asked Diaz if she gets a first serve, then said that Justine raised her hand.
4. Diaz asked Justine about that, but you could neither hear nor see what her answer was.
5. Diaz said “I didn’t see it” and didn’t give Serena a first serve.

I don’t know whether Justine lied or not and whether Serena’s cold hand-shake was deserved or not.
Fact is: The result was not unfair for Serena. She was willing to serve and wasn’t influenced when serving as she didn’t see Justine. So it was a normal 1st serve missed. Logically she didn’t deserve another one.

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Actually GoDom, I will have you know that the entire tournament conspired to get Serena to lose in the semifinals. Justine actually lost in the first round you see, but they kept bumping her up and changing results in the hope that she would have enough to knock out Serena. When this looked like it wouldnt' be enough, they got the crowd - who they had previously programmed to boo on command- to get on Serena so that she would lose her cool. Given the French crowd's history of excellent manners and Serena's inability to play well when the crowd is on her back, this was the obvious solution.

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Thanks, Rebecca. Also, to be scientific for a moment, it was the enormous breeze created by the crowds boos that continually blew Serena's shots several feet wide and long of the lines. Damn those Parisians!!!
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You had me, Rebecca, all the way through the French crowd's history of excellent manners, but I figured it out with that "Serena's inability" thing.
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Thanks Rebecca and Tratree.
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post #6 of 73 (permalink) Old Jun 5th, 2003, 09:46 PM
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but if she didn't see it then how did she knew it?

did justine raise her hand after serena served?

it doesn't make sense!

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And if she saw it, why did she serve?

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I don't get it either.

But whatever happened, I don't think it was a big enough deal to start World War III!
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but if she didn't see it then how did she knew it?

did justine raise her hand after serena served?

it doesn't make sense!
No irma, Serena had already started her service motion when Justine raised her hand. Then when Serena had hit the ball she saw Justine who was still raising her hand.
Actually I can't really imagine that Justine blatantly lied about this by just saying "I didn't do it", but who knows.
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I have edited the initial post now. It wasn't really clear, I have to admit that.
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Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. Serena didn't lose the match because of that incident, just like Petrova didn't lose because of the net cord in the first semi. They both had NUMEROUS chances to win and they didn't. Justine played great tennis. Serena was spotty. The crowd was rude...STOP THE PRESSES....welcome to the French Open. Serena has played in worse conditions and won.
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what did justine say about it. there are not transcripts on the website(I am to lazy to listen to the audio)

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Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. Serena didn't lose the match because of that incident, just like Petrova didn't lose because of the net cord in the first semi. They both had NUMEROUS chances to win and they didn't. Justine played great tennis. Serena was spotty. The crowd was rude...STOP THE PRESSES....welcome to the French Open. Serena has played in worse conditions and won.
I agree. But people are saying "Serena was robbed of her win" and that is just total nonsense. And I'm not sure how they found out that Justine cheated.
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also SERENA DID SHAKE JUSTINE'S HAND but only very coldly. It was the chair ump that she blew off.
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Serena did go back and shake the Umpire's hand; I saw it. She even smiled.
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